BraLoD said:
Burning Typhoon said:
I've already stated exactly what the issues with the game were. You didn't address a single one of them, and bring up the irrelevance of Abby's body structure. I didn't once mention it because it had nothing to do with why the game was bad. Four or five people not being able to handle muscular women is not the same thing. There's no reason to even bring that up as a part of the conversation. Of course, there's blind hate but not to the point you're speaking of. Because if you have to bring that up, you have to bring up Ellie's sexuality too. It's not a big deal, not everyone has to be the same, and it's fine. If you have a problem with Abby you no doubt have a problem with Ellie too, and I don't see you mention that either.
I've heard people say, "I don't use females in games." And you know what? That's fine too. Some people just don't like playing characters that aren't like them. But I've already said my issues with the game, and it had nothing to do with my expectation of how women should be treated in games. If it was really that bad, the first game would have failed.
Abby's set-up was done entirely wrong in the game. You have to make a character be legitimately likable if you want her to kill Joel, and that's not what happened.
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It is relevant when it becomes a meme, you are completely understimating the power of ridiculous stuff on the internet.
I've heard more about Abby body then the spoilers before the game released (gladly), and people were going on a purposedly harmful spree of spoiling of the game.
About what Abby does, you are making a mistake thinking she has to be likable to do anything, everyone is quite flawed in TLoU world, that's a lot of its essence, nodoby is a hero, Joel certainly wasn't, and that was a huge point in the original game: egotism.
About Ellie sexuality, it was already a part of the original game, it was a big point of its DLC too, it was nothing new.
TLoU2 got a lot of hate from people that never touched it, people that talk a lot of shit about things they don't even know, it was the same back then with the original, TLoU was the game that made mainstream the idiocy of "Sony make movies not games", gladly it was completely crushed by the game success, TLoU was a shiny new thing afterall.
The hate TLoU2 got was built quite a lot prior the game release, which was carried by a massive hate campaign, very clear on Metacritic, from people that never played it and didn't knew a thing about the game but memes and cherry picked spoilers.
On this very site I was told the game was supposed to have a horrible ending when it had a completely well thought one which a lot of built up within the game to develop that way.
All games, and things, suffer from blind hate to various extents, but as far as games goes TLoU2 is by far the biggest case we have had, it felt like it was quite organized and had the clear goal to set a bad image of it as if it was a consensus.
TLoU2 will have excellent sales anyway, we still have its multiplayer game to come and a potential PS5 second wind.
But what was pushed against this game was certainly blind hate to gargantuous extents. You don't get 50K+ people that didn't play it giving it 0 scores on metacritic before day one was even finished (with more than 130K total scores now) when very successful games like GoW4 only move 13K in their whole lifetime. It was a completely unnatural thing, it was staged and it affected the hive-mind view of it to some good extent without a doubt.
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