That's correct. Ill never understand how Rey could match Kylo in a duel when she never used a light saber before, or learnt the force. Kylo not only knows how to use the force, has also been training hard for years in melee combat and is a considerable threat to almost everyone. Even Fin picked up a Light saber and stood toe to toe with a Jump Trooper.. Its like anyone can just pick up a Light saber and you are automatically considered good in the Disney films. Its clearly not my cup of tea.

What they did to Luke in the later films is like if Kratos, Doomslayer or Marcus Fenix all of a sudden are afraid of demons and the locust in their next sequels.. its out of character. Just like Joel's death. If directors want to kill off beloved characters than they need to sell it to the audience, it needs to be earnt. Halo 5 also copped the same flak with Agent Locke being the main character while Chief was pushed as a side character.. nothing wrong with Locke, and its not because his black, its because he hasn't earnt his stripes to be considered by the fans yet and felt forced. 

Anakin was the chosen one for the Dark side, weather he was the master or not does not take anything away, plus it doesn't change the fact that Vader is by far one of the most feared Sith Lords ever. Master is just a title, technically Palpatine never made Master since he murdered his master in his sleep and never actually graduated.

Even if you take away the best title from Vader and Luke, it still doesn't explain the giant mess of the new trilogy. Why would Luke leave his friends and hide on something he created? That's against his character, Why is Luke afraid? that's against his character. Why wouldn't Luke train Rey? that's against his character.

Also George Lucas has more weight in the Star Wars lore than any other. Plus adding Jar Jar Binks to your debate adds nothing.

You claim his a coward.. coming from the person who claimed Luke needed his friends to beat Vader when that was clearly false information. I am starting to doubt if you have actually seen the movies and now this convo is starting to get a little stale.

That last paragraph certainly won’t help it not get stale.

Funny how you talked about my commenting manners the other day...

"they had saved the girl so he wasn't suspicious of anything strange that needed him being cautious"

>The fact that Abby was a complete stranger should have been reason enough.

Address the message, not the messenger: I don't need to play a game to assess its writing.

"What about in the first game when ellie/joel gave their names away to strangers in the first game, sam/henry"

>There are differences to consider: Ellie gave Joel's name away. Joel did not give his name away to Sam and Henry. Sam could have shot Joel but didn't: more reason to trust Sam/Henry.

Tommy looks Abby in the eye and gives away names: surely Tommy would know better? This after learning Joel had to kill a lot of people to save Ellie: Joel killed the Fireflies leader, Marlene!

Joel has reason to fear strangers!

And then Tommy and Joel agree to follow Abby to a den full of her friends; more strangers!

Considering you're killing more people than zombies in the game, seems to me complete strangers are more dangerous.

6 months after leaks and almost 4 months after release and this groundbreaking and game changing masterpiece is still getting ppl triggered i see hahaha

Joel should have known better and would have told ellie to not give their names to anyone, considering joel has crossed many people in the past, as one example. 

As for tommy giving his name, remember Mel gave her name first, she looked far from threatening, and also for joel, it was the heat of the moment,there is more than one joel in this world, they just escaped death with the help of abby,it is easier to drop your guard.Also the fact they haven't come across people in ages, and also the fact joel has just had a huge weight lifted off his shoulders, when ellie said she is willing to forgive him. So mentally joel is in another place, and feeling at ease for the first time in a long time. So you go and ask any psychiatrist if it is possible for any human to give out his name, considering what he just went through. 

Is going to get worse once it gets goty awards!

A Leaked and bad words. People already Mad AF especially "youtuber" after they knew their beloved character had such a tragic treatment. And tha hate spread faster than covid-19.

ND and Sony still make a good money from it thou.

Not sure what's hard to understand about the situation. TLOU2 is narrative focused game. The gameplay isn't really innovative. So, for the most, if player doesn't like the story or characters they aren't going to like the game. There isn't that secondary hook to keep them engaged. As someone with no attachment to the franchise. It's been interesting to see this play out. I don't know the characters to depth that fans do. So maybe I missed something, but the story just seems really bad to me. People seemed to act certain ways purely for plot convenience. It seems like they didn't write a story around their characters. It's like wrote the story and wedged their characters into it. It's ham fisted and lacks any sort of subtlety. I could see what they were going for but, they failed at executing it in my view. From a technical standpoint it's a master piece and it's almost unfathomable how good the game looks even on base PS4. I don't think that part of the game is even debated. It's everything else that is. As someone that was a huge Mass Effect fan, it feels good not to be invested in a heavily divisive game. Having people dismiss your opinion off hand because it doesn't align with theirs can be aggravating.

Sounds like one of my issues with ME3 then. Characters acting out of character and thus taking me out of the experience.