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Will you be buying this storage?

Yes 10 20.83%
 
No 38 79.17%
 
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paulgp said:
Pemalite said:

The Xbox Series X has 4x PCI-E lanes. It's actually identical to the Playstation 5 on this front.
Microsoft's approach isn't just software.

The Xbox Series X has only 2x PCIe gen4 going to the internal SSD and  2x PCIe gen4 going to the external expansion slot. So not identical to PS5 on that front.

source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-xbox-series-x-architecture-deep-dive

the expansion card is also only 2x PCIe gen4

source: https://www.hardwaretimes.com/xbox-series-x-storage-expansion-will-use-pcie-4-0-x2-seagate-reveals/

https://www.seagate.com/au/en/consumer/play/storage-expansion-for-xbox-series-x/

I stand corrected. Cheers for that.



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DroidKnight said:
Cobretti2 said:

SO whats the best way to backup your games (well mainly all the shitty patches and addns)

Unfortunately just a large multi-terabyte hard drive and just swap games back and forth between it and the system for those that require the speed of the fast SSD.  Your older games wouldn't have to be switched back and forth but all games taking advantage of the Series X Hardware would.  This will still make it where you wouldn't have to delete any games and their patches if you have enough storage. I'm hoping for a larger card than the 1 terabyte that will be available and will purchase it.  Then just keep a 3 terabyte external drive plugged into a usb for the backwards compatible games and extra new gen games. Moving the new generation games back and forth probably won't occur often, but when I do it will still be a lot faster than having to re-download it and dlc.

edit: I just found an 8TB 3.0 usb for $145.  I'll probably upgrade from my old one.

So what you saying is all SSD fast but data degrades over time. Best to back it up on a mechanical drive (or two lol)



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
DroidKnight said:

Unfortunately just a large multi-terabyte hard drive and just swap games back and forth between it and the system for those that require the speed of the fast SSD.  Your older games wouldn't have to be switched back and forth but all games taking advantage of the Series X Hardware would.  This will still make it where you wouldn't have to delete any games and their patches if you have enough storage. I'm hoping for a larger card than the 1 terabyte that will be available and will purchase it.  Then just keep a 3 terabyte external drive plugged into a usb for the backwards compatible games and extra new gen games. Moving the new generation games back and forth probably won't occur often, but when I do it will still be a lot faster than having to re-download it and dlc.

edit: I just found an 8TB 3.0 usb for $145.  I'll probably upgrade from my old one.

So what you saying is all SSD fast but data degrades over time. Best to back it up on a mechanical drive (or two lol)

SSD's most certainly "degrade" over time.
It's called "bit flipping".

Essentially what happens is that the 1's and 0's in a NAND cell "flip" due to electron leakage.
Increase the number of states in a cell and you increase the likelihood... I.E. SLC is 1-bit so it's the most reliable... Consoles are using 3-bit or 4-bit NAND which increases the likelihood of that happening.

The same thing can happen to mechanical hard drives as well, but it's far less likely and they can handle being "stored" far better over long periods of time.

The most reliable consumer form of storage is going to be multiple mechanical hard drives in Raid so you can get some redundancy happening, obviously the performance isn't at SSD levels... So that caveat is an issue.



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Storage on Series X - 802GB available to use. Also 920GB on the expandable storage. I wonder what the Series S is going to be.

Last edited by hinch - on 28 September 2020

Well, we now have an answer to how long it will take to move:

One of them comes from GamesBeat's Jeff Grubb who tested how long it takes to transfer files between various drives. In the video embedded above, Grubb moves Assassin's Creed Origins (which is a 49GB file) around his storage locations in different configurations. Here's what the tests found.

Moving Origins from an external SSD to an internal SSD took only 2 minutes and 18 seconds. The inverse, going from internal SSD to external SSD, took 4 minutes and 33 seconds. Probably most important, transferring from an external HDD to an internal SSD took 7 minutes and 46 seconds. Finally, moving from internal SSD to external HDD took 10 minutes and 36 seconds.

That third result is the one most people will want to keep in mind. It's the one that dictates whether they can live with swapping installs back and forth or whether they'd rather pony up for the official external SSD. Approximately 8 minutes to get the game where it needs to go in order to be played. Assuming next-gen installs are much bigger -- let's just call a file 100GB for convenience's sake -- it'll take about 16 minutes to transfer a game.

https://www.destructoid.com/stories/xbox-series-x-has-speedy-file-transfers-between-hdd-and-ssd-605065.phtml



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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/seagate-game-drive-for-xbox-ssd/9082KXHLZ2XR/LCR8?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

Considering the external 1TB SSD is $199 that makes the $219 expendable storage seem reasonable.



AkimboCurly said:

I have a WD Black HDD 4TB which transfers at 140MB/s. (versus 3000-4000 MB/s for the seagate SSD). At that rate you could move the entirety of Call of Duty Modern Warfare (200GB) from the USB drive to the internal SSD drive in 25 minutes.

Yeah the 7 minutes for AC at 40GB is roughly 100MB/s. I'd love to know what HDD he was using because in theory with something like a 4TB WD Black HDD you could do it another 40% faster. 

This is clearly the better way to go for me. On PC I have a 500GB NVme and then a stack of really average sata hard drives (I think 6.4TB totall) i've acquired over the years where I stick my strategy games, movies and pictures, and games I've lost interest in. I'm used to moving things over and I will continue to because flash storage is expensive everywhere.



AkimboCurly said:
AkimboCurly said:

I have a WD Black HDD 4TB which transfers at 140MB/s. (versus 3000-4000 MB/s for the seagate SSD). At that rate you could move the entirety of Call of Duty Modern Warfare (200GB) from the USB drive to the internal SSD drive in 25 minutes.

Yeah the 7 minutes for AC at 40GB is roughly 100MB/s. I'd love to know what HDD he was using because in theory with something like a 4TB WD Black HDD you could do it another 40% faster. 

Or a MyBook Duo (Raid with 200 - 400 MB/s).

I just tested the copy time of Assassin's Creed: Origins (PC-Version, 71 GB) from my 28TB-HDD to my SATA-SSD: 03:36 minutes for the last 63 GB, ~4 minutes in total:



yvanjean said:
Well, we now have an answer to how long it will take to move:

One of them comes from GamesBeat's Jeff Grubb who tested how long it takes to transfer files between various drives. In the video embedded above, Grubb moves Assassin's Creed Origins (which is a 49GB file) around his storage locations in different configurations. Here's what the tests found.

Moving Origins from an external SSD to an internal SSD took only 2 minutes and 18 seconds.

2:18 min (138 seconds) to move or copy 49 GB ain't that impressive for NVME-SSDs, that's just 355 MB/s.

An external HDD-Raid ain't that much slower:



AkimboCurly said:
AkimboCurly said:

I have a WD Black HDD 4TB which transfers at 140MB/s. (versus 3000-4000 MB/s for the seagate SSD). At that rate you could move the entirety of Call of Duty Modern Warfare (200GB) from the USB drive to the internal SSD drive in 25 minutes.

Yeah the 7 minutes for AC at 40GB is roughly 100MB/s. I'd love to know what HDD he was using because in theory with something like a 4TB WD Black HDD you could do it another 40% faster. 

This is clearly the better way to go for me. On PC I have a 500GB NVme and then a stack of really average sata hard drives (I think 6.4TB totall) i've acquired over the years where I stick my strategy games, movies and pictures, and games I've lost interest in. I'm used to moving things over and I will continue to because flash storage is expensive everywhere.

A Western Digital Mybook Duo can do 364.63MB/s read/353.52MB/s write in sequential... 20 Terabytes, Raid 0. Hard to pass up in my opinion if you want cold storage for the entire generation with additional redundancy.

This will be my approach I think.



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