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When asked about if we'll be seeing any of the ZeniMax games on other consoles Phil says:

"...as the Xbox community, what they should feel is this is a huge investment in the experiences that they're going to have in the Xbox ecosystem. We want the Xbox ecosystem to be the absolutely best place to play, and we think game availability is absolutely a part of that."

Quote from Phil Dpencer straight from the yahoo interview



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

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sales2099 said:
Runa216 said:

Then why didn't Xbox One sales go up after the release of the Xbox One X? Everyone keeps harping on about power and gamepass and backwards compatibility...but it just doesn't track with reality. these things are good, they're not system sellers. Exclusives are system sellers. Exclusives and gimmicks. Nintendo consoles have had gimmicks and games, they sell a tonne (most of the time). Playstation consoles have a whole lot of exclusive games, and 4/5 of the top selling consoles of all time are PlayStation (not including handheld). 

Almost all of the points people are putting into the narrative about how good Xbox is doing or is about to do is strictly in theory. Not in practice. All this talk about how Microsoft does this right and that right and the other thing right and are about to break out and get back on top is a story I've been hearing on repeat for the last ten years and it never happens. If power sold consoles, why didn't the Xbox One X sell more than the Ps4 Pro? If backwards compatibility is so important, why did the PS4 dominate the Xbox One? if GamePass is so influential, then why is Xbox still selling pitifully compared to PS4 on a week to week basis? If marketing and hype and acquisitions are so important, why are PlayStation reveals breaking records and all I ever hear outside of this echo chamber about Xbox is 'man that showcase was boring/bland'? 

All your points are great in theory, but not in practice. the things you and so many others SAY are influential aren't. if I was in Microsoft's shoes I'd be thinking the same thing, but the reality is that these features don't sell consoles. what variable here is different between PS and Xbox? Exclusives. Ps4 continued to get exclusives throughout the gen right up to Ghost of Tsushima a few months ago, where Xbox basically stopped in 2016 aside from a few indies and the holy trinity over the course of three years. 

Like I said to you and so many others and nobody seems to be willing to counter because you all know I'm right: This exact same narrative came into play back at the launch of the Xbox One in 2013 after a lacklustre back end of gen 7. This was coming off a very competitive generation between Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. what in the world makes you think this is any different? PS4 continued to dominate, Xbox continued to suck hard, and All I'm hearing is an echo of last gen. 

All these promises? I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, seriously Xbox needs to do a whole lot more to impress me. Buying Bethesda is, in theory, a great step but we'll see what happens. I have zero faith it'll help.

For your first and 2nd paragraph, I’ll repeat that all Xbox improvements came late in the gen. It doesn’t matter when the trends are all ready established. Seriously this isn’t hard. Sony established their dominance early and their brand power entrenches it. Xbox can make all the right moves but if it’s too late it won’t make an impact.

That said it does lay the foundation for next gen as it is a fresh start. 

But cmon your pessimism is getting borderline satirical. MS went from 7 to 23 studios in the span of two years, culminating in the biggest purchase in gaming history of 7.5 billion. You: Pssssssssh 23 studios (waves hand dismissively).

“what in the world makes you think this is any different? PS4 continued to dominate, Xbox continued to suck hard, and All I'm hearing is an echo of last gen.”

Again I ask you to use logic and not think emotionally. I made peace with my bias long ago but I at least know how to analyze history. If you honestly think Xbox as a whole, right now, post Bethesda purchase, is in the SAME space as Xbox in 2013 then you are more bias then me by a looooong shot ;)

You clearly haven't been paying attention. I've said repeatedly that acquiring studios is good for the company and should result in success and exclusives...but that in the 20-ish years of them doing it, the best they've done is Rare. you know, that company who used to be a mover and a shaker in the industry but is now mostly a joke and only had one 'hit' over the past 20 years...a hit that was critically panned and hated as a garbage game for almost a year after its launch due to lack of content. 

23 studios is good in theory. In practice it's done nothing for the company. It's done nothing to attract gamers. It's done nothing to appeal to me or many others.



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yvanjean said:
Runa216 said:

I know, right? Dare I say...it might show that power doesn't mean as much as people say it does? 

Again learn your history, PS4 was outselling Xbox one 75 million to 35 million at the time. Sony had already won the generation. Its baffling how much the mod allow trolling if its against Microsoft.

EXACTLY! Learn your history. I've been saying that since the beginning, and history shows that Xbox acquiring studios does little to nothing to bolster their brand.

It's not trolling if it's simply stating the reality of the situation. It's funny that folks like you get personally offended and call what I'm doing trolling when all I'm doing is explaining the situation from a logical perspective. So reality isn't on your side. I get it. I can't help that, and I'm not going to bend over backwards to play nice because reality offends you. Xbox lost this gen. Period. They lost hard, and there's a multitude of reasons why that is. They have some good ideas, but it's clear that if they knew what they were doing or took a different approach, the battle would be more balanced. The reality is that they are not doing all too well on the console market. almost all of their moves make them a great publisher company, not a console manufacturer and that's the problem. 

You can't just call foul and cry and whine because you can't handle reality. I've been making a conscious effort to explain WHY Microsoft hasn't been doing all too great, but you and many others are just calling me a pessimist or saying that I'm a troll or something. It's actually kind of sad that your only move is to repeat the same clearly wrong arguments and push the same faulty agendas on repeat. Numbers don't lie. Success doesn't lie. Facts don't care about your feelings. 



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PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Runa216 said:
sales2099 said:

For your first and 2nd paragraph, I’ll repeat that all Xbox improvements came late in the gen. It doesn’t matter when the trends are all ready established. Seriously this isn’t hard. Sony established their dominance early and their brand power entrenches it. Xbox can make all the right moves but if it’s too late it won’t make an impact.

That said it does lay the foundation for next gen as it is a fresh start. 

But cmon your pessimism is getting borderline satirical. MS went from 7 to 23 studios in the span of two years, culminating in the biggest purchase in gaming history of 7.5 billion. You: Pssssssssh 23 studios (waves hand dismissively).

“what in the world makes you think this is any different? PS4 continued to dominate, Xbox continued to suck hard, and All I'm hearing is an echo of last gen.”

Again I ask you to use logic and not think emotionally. I made peace with my bias long ago but I at least know how to analyze history. If you honestly think Xbox as a whole, right now, post Bethesda purchase, is in the SAME space as Xbox in 2013 then you are more bias then me by a looooong shot ;)

You clearly haven't been paying attention. I've said repeatedly that acquiring studios is good for the company and should result in success and exclusives...but that in the 20-ish years of them doing it, the best they've done is Rare. you know, that company who used to be a mover and a shaker in the industry but is now mostly a joke and only had one 'hit' over the past 20 years...a hit that was critically panned and hated as a garbage game for almost a year after its launch due to lack of content. 

23 studios is good in theory. In practice it's done nothing for the company. It's done nothing to attract gamers. It's done nothing to appeal to me or many others.

You live in the past, you do you. I’m looking at Rare today, which they are on top of their game. MS made it very clear they taking a hands off approach now. They delayed Halo instead of forcing a gimped launch. Psychonauts 2 added boss fights and polish since they got picked up, and MS allowed them to delay into 2021. Wasteland 3 needed a delay for polish and due to it they were able to get full voice acting. Just a few examples that Xbox is handling their studios differently. I’m sorry Don Mattrick left a sour taste in your mouth, but Phil Spencer isn’t him. 

Given that these studios were all picked up in the last 2 years....no wonder it’s done “nothing” as you say. AAA games in a pandemic don’t magically appear out of nowhere.

For now, we wait. But at the very least you gotta change your tune about Xbox in 2020 being the same as Xbox 2013. That’s just straight up false and trolling. 



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Dante9 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

On this site in the top 50 for both consoles they both have nine exclusives. Those games you listed for PS4 were all very heavily bundled. I didn’t say exclusives don’t matter, I said MicroSony consoles sell on third party games and software charts prove it. As for Xbone not selling more, it was coming off the horrific reveal PR, was more expensive, and a weaker machine. There were lots of reasons it sold a lot less, exclusives just being one of them, and a ways down the list. What does the One X have to do with anything? LOL

If all you have to offer are third party games, you get Xbox One results. If you have third party + first party, you get PS4 results. The PS3 botched its launch very much because of the same reasons the XB One did, but in the end Sony was able to outsell the 360 because of their strong first party, especially in late gen.

You need both, man, you need both. That's why Microsoft is buying studios left and right now. That's also one of the reasons why Nintendo is doing better than in a long time, they have always had a strong first party but now they have gotten third party back on board in a new way.

Consoles sell mostly on multiplats doesn’t mean exclusives don’t matter. People buy consoles to play games, obviously the more games you have, the more appealing your console will be to some people. But most buy consoles to play Calls of Doody and NBA and Fortnite with their friends. That’s why best selling lists for consoles are (outside of Nintendo) always full of multiplats. I know you need both. MS was extremely lacking this gen in that regard and now they’re writing checks not really to bolster their lineup to sell consoles but to push GamePass. I think without GamePass they would have been content with their acquisitions from a couple years ago.



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DirtyP2002 said:
When asked about if we'll be seeing any of the ZeniMax games on other consoles Phil says:

"...as the Xbox community, what they should feel is this is a huge investment in the experiences that they're going to have in the Xbox ecosystem. We want the Xbox ecosystem to be the absolutely best place to play, and we think game availability is absolutely a part of that."

Quote from Phil Dpencer straight from the yahoo interview

Anyone who thinks MS needs to put Bethesda games on PS5 to make back the money on their investment hasn't run the numbers imo.

~10m GP subscribers is enough to deliver a AAA game per month and break even.

~60m GP subscribers is enough to buy a Zenimax every year



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Pyro as Bill said:
DirtyP2002 said:
When asked about if we'll be seeing any of the ZeniMax games on other consoles Phil says:

"...as the Xbox community, what they should feel is this is a huge investment in the experiences that they're going to have in the Xbox ecosystem. We want the Xbox ecosystem to be the absolutely best place to play, and we think game availability is absolutely a part of that."

Quote from Phil Dpencer straight from the yahoo interview

Anyone who thinks MS needs to put Bethesda games on PS5 to make back the money on their investment hasn't run the numbers imo.

~10m GP subscribers is enough to deliver a AAA game per month and break even.

~60m GP subscribers is enough to buy a Zenimax every year

Not to mention Steam and the millions of “defectors” that will either buy a Xbox or upgrade their PC. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

DirtyP2002 said:
When asked about if we'll be seeing any of the ZeniMax games on other consoles Phil says:

"...as the Xbox community, what they should feel is this is a huge investment in the experiences that they're going to have in the Xbox ecosystem. We want the Xbox ecosystem to be the absolutely best place to play, and we think game availability is absolutely a part of that."

Quote from Phil Dpencer straight from the yahoo interview

The writing is on the wall, the games won't be on PlayStation. PS fanboys are just in denial about it. 

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NobleTeam360 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
When asked about if we'll be seeing any of the ZeniMax games on other consoles Phil says:

"...as the Xbox community, what they should feel is this is a huge investment in the experiences that they're going to have in the Xbox ecosystem. We want the Xbox ecosystem to be the absolutely best place to play, and we think game availability is absolutely a part of that."

Quote from Phil Dpencer straight from the yahoo interview

The writing is on the wall, the games won't be on PlayStation. PS fanboys are just in denial about it. 

I'm not so sure of that either. I think MS should put their games on PS5. Start with XB having demo exclusives and other perks then move on to 1-month/3mth timed exclusivity and use it as a sword of damacles above Sony's and to a lesser extent Nintendo's heads.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Runa216 said:
yvanjean said:

Again learn your history, PS4 was outselling Xbox one 75 million to 35 million at the time. Sony had already won the generation. It's baffling how much the mod allows trolling if its against Microsoft.

EXACTLY! Learn your history. I've been saying that since the beginning, and history shows that Xbox acquiring studios does little to nothing to bolster their brand.

It's not trolling if it's simply stating the reality of the situation. It's funny that folks like you get personally offended and call what I'm doing trolling when all I'm doing is explaining the situation from a logical perspective. So the reality isn't on your side. I get it. I can't help that, and I'm not going to bend over backward to play nice because reality offends you. Xbox lost this gen. Period. They lost hard, and there's a multitude of reasons why that is. They have some good ideas, but it's clear that if they knew what they were doing or took a different approach, the battle would be more balanced. The reality is that they are not doing all too well on the console market. almost all of their moves make them a great publisher company, not a console manufacturer and that's the problem. 

You can't just call foul and cry and whine because you can't handle reality. I've been making a conscious effort to explain WHY Microsoft hasn't been doing all too great, but you and many others are just calling me a pessimist or saying that I'm a troll or something. It's actually kind of sad that your only move is to repeat the same clearly wrong arguments and push the same faulty agendas on repeat. Numbers don't lie. Success doesn't lie. Facts don't care about your feelings. 

The only real loser of the last-gen is the WiiU. You seem to think that just because Sony won the generation that must mean Xbox was a complete failure. 

In 2019, Sony revenue from gaming was 12 Billion while on the other hand, Microsoft revenue from gaming was 20 Billion. It's clear that what Microsoft did to change the Xbox brand is working and bring lots of revenues. Enough so that it could greenlight a 7.5 billion acquisition that will bolster the Xbox exclusives. 

If Microsoft really gave up on being a Console manufacturer they wouldn't be the maker of last-gen most Powerful Xbox one X and the upcoming generation Xbox Series X. It was crystal clear that Microsoft is firmly committed to the console landscape and that was before the Zeminax acquisition. 

Seem to me like your the one that as a problem with reality, Xbox is no longer just a console brand, Microsoft as decided to go with Xbox ecosystem (Console-PC-Xcloud). You are well aware that Microsoft is bringing all of its exclusives to PC and love to compare consoles sales since clearly, PS4 outsold Xbox one. All of Microsoft's move as been to bolster the Xbox brand. You obviously should not be an Xbox owner anymore because you mention in a past thread that you will not support Gamepass. Gamepass subscription and service are now the future of the Xbox brand. 

You claim that history shows that acquiring studios does little to bolster their brand, you must still be referring to your wrong stance on the Rare acquisition. Because the history of all of the current Microsoft acquisition hasn't been written yet. 

Like you said Numbers don't lie and success doesn't lie and it's clear that Microsoft as found a winning solution. Microsoft now owns 23 studios and most if not all future ZeniMax IP will have some type of Xbox exclusivity.