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DonFerrari said:
Bristow9091 said:

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" that's the saying I was thinking of but couldn't remember at the time lol :P

But yeah I'm very happy with the state of next gen or at least the way it's looking... Sony are just doing their usual thing which is great, and Microsoft are trying something new that I absolutely respect and can get behind, although I do hope they've got more games to show off for the first year, because compared to the PS5's first year their first party output seems a little low, but I don't mind because I'll have Game Pass AND EA Access to put me on, and there's a LOT of games I'm looking forward to playing on a Series S, currently playing the Master Chief Collection and Sunset Overdrive (both on PC) for the first time and I'm really enjoying the Halo games, and I know the console Game Pass has even more games on offer too! 

The good thing about MS doing this is that if it fails it won't harm Sony, but if it do well Sony can copy.

When you try to copy something the problem is that the window might not be there cost wise.  Being late to the party would mean you are always late and its something MS as a company has found out on many fronts.  You either take the risk and be the leader or you wait and hope things doesn't pass you by.



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Xbox just isn't different enough to scalp Sony loyalists. When you can get 99% of Xbox games on PS, why get an Xbox?

This is why Nintendo is successful. They do their own thing and do it well. Xbox is just an American PS.

Great product, will continue to do well as a PS competitor but always the bridesmaid, never the bride.



Well it should be really Xbox series s advatange, lower resolution equals lower data needs to be pulled, so maybe ign was right Xbox series a is faster than ps5 but looking at the math I doubt it. Even with the lower data ps5 should be slightly faster😌, eg full had vs 4K. Overall looking at the specs Xbox series x is more powerful, although I do believe ps5 exclusives will look better but we are three years off that, due to draw in times



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Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

The good thing about MS doing this is that if it fails it won't harm Sony, but if it do well Sony can copy.

When you try to copy something the problem is that the window might not be there cost wise.  Being late to the party would mean you are always late and its something MS as a company has found out on many fronts.  You either take the risk and be the leader or you wait and hope things doesn't pass you by.

True, but Xcloud is something that Sony started even before with PSNow (and sure needs to improve) while Gamepass is something they could copy very fast.

But well we know that hardly Sony is at risk of losing console sales against MS.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

raidinglarastomb said:
Well it should be really Xbox series s advatange, lower resolution equals lower data needs to be pulled, so maybe ign was right Xbox series a is faster than ps5 but looking at the math I doubt it. Even with the lower data ps5 should be slightly faster😌, eg full had vs 4K. Overall looking at the specs Xbox series x is more powerful, although I do believe ps5 exclusives will look better but we are three years off that, due to draw in times

Where the hell did IGN took that from and what impact are they thinking they'll see?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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How so? U lose a 4k blu Ray player. 4k movies on blu Ray will be the norm now that all next gen console game at 4k. Plus u still have to pay 70  usd or 80 euro for a game  that's first party. With game pass u get every first party, backwards compat, ea games, xbox live, xbox games with gold and third party games for about 10 usd lol. 

Random_Matt said:

The cheap PS5 digital renders Xbox pointless in my opinion, regardless of exclusives. But I guess if Game pass is for you, then Xbox is probably a good choice.

(My god the PS5 is ugly, would be pretty good if was a lot smaller)



Intrinsic said:
Random_Matt said:

The cheap PS5 digital renders Xbox pointless in my opinion, regardless of exclusives. But I guess if Game pass is for you, then Xbox is probably a good choice.

(My god the PS5 is ugly, would be pretty good if was a lot smaller)

TOWER OF POWAHHH!

Seriously though, I think its actually beautiful especially the digital sku (which is what I am getting).

Well, maybe not beautiful, it sure is different though.

Well you know what they say, 'beauty is in the eye of the Barad-dur'.

Even though SNY did what I mostly wanted them to do, I wasn't expecting it. I didn't think they would make it as big and definitely didn't think it would look so much different than the norm. While it would be nice if it were a little smaller, as long as it's dead silent I'm fine with it. It really has little reason to make any cooling noise at all, unless they use cheap quality parts, or due to later gen games pushing the system to it's absolute limits. Even then, it should be very reasonably quiet. Looks wise it's certainly different, but I mostly don't mind. It has grown on me since it's initial unveiling.

I'm just happy it looks as though MS is going to be able to mount a reasonable response this time. For PS5 to just ride on PS4's momentum and keep the same type of lead would end up quite boring overall. If MS can produce some banger exclusives, then things will really start to get interesting.



EricHiggin said:

Well you know what they say, 'beauty is in the eye of the Barad-dur'.

Even though SNY did what I mostly wanted them to do, I wasn't expecting it. I didn't think they would make it as big and definitely didn't think it would look so much different than the norm. While it would be nice if it were a little smaller, as long as it's dead silent I'm fine with it. It really has little reason to make any cooling noise at all, unless they use cheap quality parts, or due to later gen games pushing the system to it's absolute limits. Even then, it should be very reasonably quiet. Looks wise it's certainly different, but I mostly don't mind. It has grown on me since it's initial unveiling.

I'm just happy it looks as though MS is going to be able to mount a reasonable response this time. For PS5 to just ride on PS4's momentum and keep the same type of lead would end up quite boring overall. If MS can produce some banger exclusives, then things will really start to get interesting.

I personally can't wait to see the teardown.

As for the bolded,its my understanding that it would be nigh impossible for the PS5 to overheat or the fans ever get louder than a certain threshold.

Remember, Fixed power, variable-frequency.

So basically the PS5 has a peak APU power draw limit. Let's call that 250W. It would never draw more than 250W for the APU, and if some code is threatening to push the processor to a point where it would need to draw more power, it would rather downclock the CPU/GPU to stay within the power limit. This basically means that sony would have designed their cooler to accommodate for a 250W TDP. If their cooler would keep that chip cool at a steady 65C for example, the PS5 would never be hotter than that by more than a few degrees, and that would have more to do with your ambient room temperature than the console itself.

At least, this is my understanding of the tech.



Intrinsic said:
EricHiggin said:

Well you know what they say, 'beauty is in the eye of the Barad-dur'.

Even though SNY did what I mostly wanted them to do, I wasn't expecting it. I didn't think they would make it as big and definitely didn't think it would look so much different than the norm. While it would be nice if it were a little smaller, as long as it's dead silent I'm fine with it. It really has little reason to make any cooling noise at all, unless they use cheap quality parts, or due to later gen games pushing the system to it's absolute limits. Even then, it should be very reasonably quiet. Looks wise it's certainly different, but I mostly don't mind. It has grown on me since it's initial unveiling.

I'm just happy it looks as though MS is going to be able to mount a reasonable response this time. For PS5 to just ride on PS4's momentum and keep the same type of lead would end up quite boring overall. If MS can produce some banger exclusives, then things will really start to get interesting.

I personally can't wait to see the teardown.

As for the bolded,its my understanding that it would be nigh impossible for the PS5 to overheat or the fans ever get louder than a certain threshold.

Remember, Fixed power, variable-frequency.

So basically the PS5 has a peak APU power draw limit. Let's call that 250W. It would never draw more than 250W for the APU, and if some code is threatening to push the processor to a point where it would need to draw more power, it would rather downclock the CPU/GPU to stay within the power limit. This basically means that sony would have designed their cooler to accommodate for a 250W TDP. If their cooler would keep that chip cool at a steady 65C for example, the PS5 would never be hotter than that by more than a few degrees, and that would have more to do with your ambient room temperature than the console itself.

At least, this is my understanding of the tech.

I tend to think it's going to look quite a bit different than the way the PS3 and PS4 internals are laid out.

That's what I meant by, "even then, it should be very reasonably quiet". Early games shouldn't push the system as hard, but even when stressed, more so later on, it shouldn't be a significant change to the cooling systems operation. If our understandings of the design are correct of course.



Im on the group that says exclusives is all that matter. And if only half the games make the launch to 2021 schedule release, then sony is basically running unopposed. I do get that the xbox will hit it off by 2022, maybe late 2021 with the acquisitions, but what kind of lead will the ps5 have by then?



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