BraLoD said: JWeinCom said: Eh... I don't think so really. Depends on their objective. A PS5 sale is more valuable to them than a PS4 sale, because the PS5 owner will probably generate more revenue for them in the long run. Selling more systems isn't necessarily their goal. And even at 200/250 I don't see the PS4 being a very attractive proposition because of the 300 dollar XBox Series S and Swtich. The PS2 had a lot of success post PS3 but that was a different market, and Sony was launching the PS3 at a very high price to the point where a cheap PS2 wasn't going to influence it. I can see Sony just letting hardware sales drop quickly. It's not a point of selling the PS5 is better, nobody will have any reason to buy the PS4 Pro at all, they are literally killing their own product. I know they want people to move gens, but for people that are waiting for a cheaper system to get into the current to be old gen... they just won't have any option. Better phase it out than to let it be priced the same as the next gen version of it.

What's wrong with killing their own product?  It's not like it's a child, it's a product line. When it no longer serves a purpose be done with it. 

The PS4 Pro was designed for those who wanted the best graphics available... That market now is better served with a PS5 or Series X. I could still see a function for the PS4 Slim as a low cost entry point, but the Pro doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. 

BraLoD said: EricHiggin said: Actually, what if Pro (Slim?) was reduced to $299, with it's 8 cores, 4.2TF, but uses a 2.5" 1TB SSD instead of an HDD? Could they better compete with XBSS for a few years that way? No, PS4 games are not developed around a SSD, you can just some load speeds and that's it. The SSD of next gen is a vital part of game development from now on, last gen simply can't compete with it just having a SSD on it (which you can try on your PS4 and see how it works).

An SSD on a PS4 doesn't make much difference because it's SATA II as far as I know. Pro has SATA III and can make a fairly significant difference when it comes to things like load times or pop in. I know an SSD in Pro wouldn't make it like a PS5.

You wouldn't market Pro as next gen, but you would market the SNY brand and specs against XBSS.

8 Cores vs 8 Cores.

4.2 TF vs 4.0 TF.

1TB SSD vs 512GB SSD.

Pro even has 9GB RAM total vs XBSS 10GB RAM.

I think it could work if SNY planned to keep selling a version of the PS4 if not both. They could still keep PS4 and have it at $199 in this scenario.

BraLoD said: JWeinCom said: What's wrong with killing their own product?  It's not like it's a child, it's a product line. When it no longer serves a purpose be done with it.  The PS4 Pro was designed for those who wanted the best graphics available... That market now is better served with a PS5 or Series X. I could still see a function for the PS4 Slim as a low cost entry point, but the Pro doesn't really serve a purpose anymore.  If they want to kill the PS4 why are they still developing flagship titles for it them? Seems like a very confusing message.

Because there are already 100 million people who own a PS4. Just because you don't really want to make aggressive efforts to sell more PS4 hardware doesn't mean you stop selling software.

Maybe one day they will stop producing PS4 Pro and introduce PS5 Lite to compete Xbox Series S.

Shame the 90s or mid-2000s are gone as seeing a fairly recent console drop to $99 felt like a steal. I guess they won't as PS5 will be sold at a loss and PS4 sales need to make up for it for a year or two.

Leynos said: Shame the 90s or mid-2000s are gone as seeing a fairly recent console drop to $99 felt like a steal. I guess they won't as PS5 will be sold at a loss and PS4 sales need to make up for it for a year or two.

Are you referring to PS4 console sales or game sales? They can't really make enough profit on overpriced PS4s to make a difference. The only thing that matters in ongoing game sales (and online subscription etc), and cheap PS4s is how you get more PS4 customers buying games etc. Of course the customers interested in that probably aren't going to spend the same amount on game etc, but it could still be a worthwhile market.

QUAKECore89 said: Maybe one day they will stop producing PS4 Pro and introduce PS5 Lite to compete Xbox Series S.

The digital PS5 is already good competition for the Series S.

Won't happen. 2 or 3 years ago it should have happened, but it didn't happen so here we are. Here's the thing.

PS5 is matching XB Series X price to allow consumers to think it is just as valuable.

Switch matches PS4 to keep value. Thus PS4 Pro has to be more expensive than the Switch to keep value.

We are pretty much in a price cut standstill due to the big 3 going with the Apple strategy of "Value".

I would worry more about that LoD remake over this if i were you

BraLoD said: Farsala said: Won't happen. 2 or 3 years ago it should have happened, but it didn't happen so here we are. Here's the thing. PS5 is matching XB Series X price to allow consumers to think it is just as valuable. Switch matches PS4 to keep value. Thus PS4 Pro has to be more expensive than the Switch to keep value. We are pretty much in a price cut standstill due to the big 3 going with the Apple strategy of "Value". What value is the Pro keeping when the Series S is $100 cheaper than it? Nintendo is a world apart, Sony competitor is Microsoft, there are the prices were people will look to make comparisions. People that want a Switch will get it no matter what, PS4/PS5 prices doesn't make anyone move to Nintendo, they don't have direct competition between them, very different platforms.

This is all about maximizing profits though. The competition doesn't matter that much other than to demonstrate value. People think oh wow the PS5 is only $100 more than the PS4 Pro, what a great deal! They buy it and then forget that they just spent $500. If the PS4 drops in price, then they think the PS5 could drop in price too.