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Roma said:
FromDK said:

Yes.. with same power as the future switch 2

You really believe there is going to be a switch 2 so soon? It's not going to be able to run 4k games natively not even the switch 2 will be able to do that and still be at an affordable price plus portable 

Like I said.. I believe they will make a "home version" s fast as the future switch 2 (2-3 years from now)



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andisart said:
So if this will be a 4K upscaling model, can I benefit from the higher resolution with a 1080p TV, in the same way I use Nvidia Dynamic Super Resolution on my PC? I guess
not right?

No, the screen will stay black. I've experienced this with my old Bluray player that could upscale the image to 4k. I've attached it to a Full HD screen and forgot to deactivate 4k. And the result was no image az all. So, moving it back to 4k, deactivate upscaler and back to Full HD.



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Peh said:
andisart said:
So if this will be a 4K upscaling model, can I benefit from the higher resolution with a 1080p TV, in the same way I use Nvidia Dynamic Super Resolution on my PC? I guess
not right?

No, the screen will stay black. I've experienced this with my old Bluray player that could upscale the image to 4k. I've attached it to a Full HD screen and forgot to deactivate 4k. And the result was no image az all. So, moving it back to 4k, deactivate upscaler and back to Full HD.

You are definitely incorrect there.

The issue may be your Blu-Ray player, may even be your HDMI cable that is preventing you from not downsampling to 1080P.

The Xbox certainly does... And there are certainly benefits of having games operated at 4k on a 1080P display.



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Dulfite said:
So hypothetically if it launches March 2021, that's 4 years into Switch life, and it would be the flag ship device for two years until 2023 when Switch 2 comes?

I have mixed feelings. I don't want Switch 2 sales to be diminished because of buyer fatigue at a bunch of people only having bought a Switch Pro 2 years (or less) prior to that.

But this isn't like a new thing. Nintendo always has multiple updates to its portable systems. Updated systems have never been a problem for them for selling the next gen. And I think Switch 2 launch is much more likely in 2024, so it'll be more like 3 years which is a lot of time. Also Switch 2 is going to be wayyyy more capable than an upgraded Switch. Upgraded Switch is gonna run the same games but with apparently 4k using DLSS, while Switch 2 is going to be a far more capable system in general. Your worry would be like saying people won't upgrade to PS5 and XSeries because they just came out with XBX and PS4 Pro a few years ago.



FromDK said:
Roma said:

You really believe there is going to be a switch 2 so soon? It's not going to be able to run 4k games natively not even the switch 2 will be able to do that and still be at an affordable price plus portable 

Like I said.. I believe they will make a "home version" s fast as the future switch 2 (2-3 years from now)

I could definitely see a Home version late in Switch's lifecycle in maybe 2023, a year before Switch 2 launches, but it'll be a cheap Switch to get those last stragglers who didn't ever care about portable gaming to jump on board the Switch. Switch Home would be same specs as this upgraded Switch next year, but it'll cost like $200.

Switch 2 will be far more capable than any version of the Switch. That should be very obvious. It would make no sense to make a super beefed up Switch Home when it still can only play the same games all the other Switches play. That's literally what new generations are for, making games that couldn't be made on the previous system. If there is a Switch Home it'll be on par with the upgraded hybrid Switch, then next gen Switch will blow all Switch models away.



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Slownenberg said:
FromDK said:

Like I said.. I believe they will make a "home version" s fast as the future switch 2 (2-3 years from now)

I could definitely see a Home version late in Switch's lifecycle in maybe 2023, a year before Switch 2 launches, but it'll be a cheap Switch to get those last stragglers who didn't ever care about portable gaming to jump on board the Switch. Switch Home would be same specs as this upgraded Switch next year, but it'll cost like $200.

Switch 2 will be far more capable than any version of the Switch. That should be very obvious. It would make no sense to make a super beefed up Switch Home when it still can only play the same games all the other Switches play. That's literally what new generations are for, making games that couldn't be made on the previous system. If there is a Switch Home it'll be on par with the upgraded hybrid Switch, then next gen Switch will blow all Switch models away.

I agree and I've been saying this for a while now.  In fact, a "Switch Home" could be as little as $149 if it does indeed release in 2023 - a tiny box with the proper inputs/outputs and cartridge slot, packaged with a pro controller.  I'd bet money that we'll see something like that in the future and it would keep sales healthy being in the "impulse buy" price range.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Dulfite said:
So hypothetically if it launches March 2021, that's 4 years into Switch life, and it would be the flag ship device for two years until 2023 when Switch 2 comes?

I have mixed feelings. I don't want Switch 2 sales to be diminished because of buyer fatigue at a bunch of people only having bought a Switch Pro 2 years (or less) prior to that.

Such a weird thought. Do you think that happened with the New 3DS XL? 

New 3ds upgrade was nothing compared to a 4k bump. There were only like two games made to utilize it's features, if I recall. Comparing that to this, with Nintendo supposedly telling developers to prepare to use 4k bumps for future games, and these are very different situations. I suspect the Switch Pro will sell a lot more than New 3ds, which will then give those same people buyers fatigue in a couple years with Switch 2. I care about Nintendo's success and I'm sick of the huge success/huge failure cycle they've gotten into the last 4 generations. I want them to have sustained success, and that means not sabatoging next gen success.



Dulfite said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Such a weird thought. Do you think that happened with the New 3DS XL? 

New 3ds upgrade was nothing compared to a 4k bump. There were only like two games made to utilize it's features, if I recall. Comparing that to this, with Nintendo supposedly telling developers to prepare to use 4k bumps for future games, and these are very different situations. I suspect the Switch Pro will sell a lot more than New 3ds, which will then give those same people buyers fatigue in a couple years with Switch 2. I care about Nintendo's success and I'm sick of the huge success/huge failure cycle they've gotten into the last 4 generations. I want them to have sustained success, and that means not sabatoging next gen success.

You do realize that a 4k bump is exactly what Microsoft and Sony did this gen right? Are you expecting people to not buy the next gen systems starting this Fall because they are all fatigued at having already bought a 4k system in the past few years?

This argument just makes no sense. An upgraded Switch is still a Switch. It's not gonna play different games. It's not a next gen Switch. If it uses DLSS for 4k that means it'll be a little bit higher spec Switch, which is something Nintendo normally does, that increases the resolution. It won't even be remotely comparable to a next gen Switch that comes out like 3 years later. Unless you think XSeries and PS5 are gonna fail because people already bought XBX and PS4 Pro, you can't be making this argument. And you seem to be vastly overestimating what a 4k bump means. 4k will be from DLSS, if the rumors about 4k are even true. The upgrade will probably be on par to New 3ds, not some vastly larger upgrade. DLSS provides 4k without needing a vastly more powerful system. Nintendo has never experienced buyer fatigue for the followin gen simply from releasing upgraded version of its current system, and PS5 and XSeries aren't gonna fail because the previous gen got mid-gen 4k upgrades, so why do you think this rationale applies only to the Switch?



Slownenberg said:
Dulfite said:
So hypothetically if it launches March 2021, that's 4 years into Switch life, and it would be the flag ship device for two years until 2023 when Switch 2 comes?

I have mixed feelings. I don't want Switch 2 sales to be diminished because of buyer fatigue at a bunch of people only having bought a Switch Pro 2 years (or less) prior to that.

But this isn't like a new thing. Nintendo always has multiple updates to its portable systems. Updated systems have never been a problem for them for selling the next gen. And I think Switch 2 launch is much more likely in 2024, so it'll be more like 3 years which is a lot of time. Also Switch 2 is going to be wayyyy more capable than an upgraded Switch. Upgraded Switch is gonna run the same games but with apparently 4k using DLSS, while Switch 2 is going to be a far more capable system in general. Your worry would be like saying people won't upgrade to PS5 and XSeries because they just came out with XBX and PS4 Pro a few years ago.

1) I do think there will be plenty that bought PS4 pro and Xbox One X that won't upgrade for a while because of those recent purchases. Most don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on consoles every 2-3 years.

2) Lets review those past upgrades. GameBoy Advanced SP had a nicer screen and more convenient form factor, but I don't recall it upgrading resolution/graphics. DS Lite didn't have more power either.  I don't think DSI did either, just was quicker if I recall? New 3ds had a little more power, but only a couple games came for it exclusively.



Dulfite said:
Slownenberg said:

But this isn't like a new thing. Nintendo always has multiple updates to its portable systems. Updated systems have never been a problem for them for selling the next gen. And I think Switch 2 launch is much more likely in 2024, so it'll be more like 3 years which is a lot of time. Also Switch 2 is going to be wayyyy more capable than an upgraded Switch. Upgraded Switch is gonna run the same games but with apparently 4k using DLSS, while Switch 2 is going to be a far more capable system in general. Your worry would be like saying people won't upgrade to PS5 and XSeries because they just came out with XBX and PS4 Pro a few years ago.

1) I do think there will be plenty that bought PS4 pro and Xbox One X that won't upgrade for a while because of those recent purchases. Most don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on consoles every 2-3 years.

2) Lets review those past upgrades. GameBoy Advanced SP had a nicer screen and more convenient form factor, but I don't recall it upgrading resolution/graphics. DS Lite didn't have more power either.  I don't think DSI did either, just was quicker if I recall? New 3ds had a little more power, but only a couple games came for it exclusively.

Most people who buy a system don't buy it in the first couple years anyway. By the end of this year there will be about 75 million people who already own a Switch. Only a few million of them will upgrade to the new Switch model. An upgraded Switch won't affect Switch 2 sales several years later at all, it'll just increase Switch sales.

Also I think you are way overestimating what the upgraded Switch is. It's not running 4k native. It's not gonna be some vastly more powerful model. It is supposed to use DLSS to have 4k resolutions, which means it only has to be a bit stronger and I guess have more RAM. Sounds like this upgrade will be very on par with New 3DS. And do you really expect it to have games exclusive for it? I wouldn't expect any games to be exclusive for it. Anytime Nintendo has made an upgraded system (GBC, N64 expansion pack, DSi, New 3DS) there have been like 2-4 games that you needed the upgrade to run, so at most I would expect 2-4 exclusive games, but I think zero exclusive games is much more likely. The only possibility I see of any exclusive games would be because Nintendo said it will feature some new forms of interactivity, so there might be a few games that use that and can't be played on OG or Lite. I wouldn't expect any games to be exclusive to the upgraded Switch just because of increased specs - increased specs is just gonna make games go from current resolutions to 4k, or possibly clear up any framerate issues in whichever games have them. I think you are confusing the idea of 4k with thinking that means it'll play PS4/XB1 level graphics - that is not what anyone is talking about and there should be no expectation of that, that is what should be expected of Switch 2, not a slightly upgraded Switch model.

Don't let the 4k confuse you. DLSS allows that without a huge spec increase. This should on par with any of Nintendo's previous handheld upgraded models. There is nothing to suggest thing will in any way hurt next gen sales like 3 years afterward. Just like nobody expects PS5 and XSeries sales to be hurt from Pro and XBX.