Launch lineup is fine. There's pretty much something for everyone. If you're a hardcore Xbox gamer who already exhausted everything on Xbone there are new games from MS and third parties that look great. If you're someone who either wasn't an Xbox owner this gen or didn't play through everything, there's all that plus enhanced versions of different games from this gen.

The only problem is we don't know what else will be affected by COVID like Halo. Some of these titles look very good but could be impacted and miss launch. Hell, the whole console could slip into 2021. As I said in the best box thread, these is an insane launch year. We just got the biggest launch title for 2020 delayed into 2021, we have controllers for the new console leaking onto the Internets confirming the existence of a second next gen Xbox console, we're apparently less than three months from launch and we still don't have exact dates or prices for any of these next gen consoles. It's bizarre.

But I look over the titles confirmed for launch and "launch window" and seems fine to me? I mean, who really even knows? We don't know if some of these games will be any good or not. Bugsnax or whatever looks like the stupidest thing I have ever seen but it could be the best launch title on either console for all we know.

Scorn - Metroidvania inspired 3D horror game, looks very cool. Supposedly a launch title.
Medium - Another cool looking horror game. These are the types of single player narrative games people have been screaming that MS needs for years now, they launch with two.
Gears Tactics - Great turn based tactical game. Already beat it on PC but didn't touch the end game. Will gladly replay in superior form and complete it on XSX.
Ass Creed Valhalla - Playing through Odyssey right now. Should be another great action RPG. Combat looks very brutal.
Dirt 5 - Not my cup of tea in this post-Horizon 4 world, but it's a popular franchise and looks solid.
Tetris Connected - Has a great meta and includes lots of new multiplayer content. As a big Tetris fan I can probably sell my wife on an XSX with this game alone.
Yasnoozea Like a Dragon - See Dirt. Not my cup of tea, but a very popular franchise. Apparently this is timed exclusive for next gen to XSX or something? Stupid if true, and a waste of money by MS.
Avengers - Not buying this game myself as it looks meh as fuck to me, but it's Avengers, its a live service game, it will probably be huge.
Call of the Sea - Puzzle based narrative title with cool visuals.
Crossfire X - Didn't care much for the insider test because of map design and spawns, but those can be fixed for launch. I assume it has to be the most popular MP in the world for a reason.
Crossfire X SP - Listing this separate because it's essentially a different game. Single player designed by Remedy. I question how long it will be, whether it's a fully fledged SP experience or a throwaway add-on to the MP. But what we saw looked very good and very Remedy.
12 Minutes - Been interested in this game ever since it was shown at last E3, IIRC. You're in a time bubble that resets every 12 minutes.
Artful Escape - Seems like this was revealed years ago. Always been interested because the art looks so amazing.
Ascent - Who needs Cyberpunk when you can have couch co-op in this game? AFAIK it got delayed to early 2021, but is still in the launch window.
Gears 5 - Held off on playing this when I heard a SX version was launching with the console. It's like a brand new game for me.
Horizon 4 - See above. Stopped playing the best racer ever when I heard there would be a SX patch. I play on my Scorpio in performance mode to hit 60fps and the game still looks amazing. Apparently on XSX you can go beyond 60fps and the game looks even better. We are humbled, Papa Phil.
Outriders - I think this is still coming this year? Comes from People Can Fly, and AFAIK they have never made a bad game. Ok, they did make Fortnite. My bad. I like how this is not a GaaS type game. I love GaaS, but it's nice to also have games you just beat and they end.

I could list some other titles that are smaller or that I care about even less than Yakuza (like Planet Coaster) or other "optimized for X" games like Ori 2 but I've made my point. Does anyone know when the Control XSX patch is supposed to be coming? I assume maybe 2021, but you'd think they'd want to strike while the iron is hot. That's another game I started but held off on when a SX patch was confirmed.

Also, the bolded games will be free day one in GamePass meaning they don't even require any extra investment on your part.




Meh, even with sx patches, I don't see how gears tactics, gears 5, Forza h4, or control would look better than what could be achieved on a good PC now.  

What I'm more interested in is the compromises consoles will need to make to achieve higher fpses and higher visual fidelity.  Even with a 2080ti, I find games like Control taxes the crap out of my PC, with Ray tracing on at medium settings outputting to 1440p.  I get passable 40-60fps. Go to higher settings, higher Ray tracing, or even at 4k and game runs below 30fps.

To be fair Lockhart isn’t official yet. And with the rumors that it will come with a controller-less sku to save $50 given how Xbox One controllers carry over, it should really shake things up. 

Launch lineup is fine. There's pretty much something for everyone. If you're a hardcore Xbox gamer who already exhausted everything on Xbone there are new games from MS and third parties that look great. If you're someone who either wasn't an Xbox owner this gen or didn't play through everything, there's all that plus enhanced versions of different games from this gen.

The only problem is we don't know what else will be affected by COVID like Halo. Some of these titles look very good but could be impacted and miss launch. Hell, the whole console could slip into 2021. As I said in the best box thread, these is an insane launch year. We just got the biggest launch title for 2020 delayed into 2021, we have controllers for the new console leaking onto the Internets confirming the existence of a second next gen Xbox console, we're apparently less than three months from launch and we still don't have exact dates or prices for any of these next gen consoles. It's bizarre.

But I look over the titles confirmed for launch and "launch window" and seems fine to me? I mean, who really even knows? We don't know if some of these games will be any good or not. Bugsnax or whatever looks like the stupidest thing I have ever seen but it could be the best launch title on either console for all we know.

Scorn - Metroidvania inspired 3D horror game, looks very cool. Supposedly a launch title.
Medium - Another cool looking horror game. These are the types of single player narrative games people have been screaming that MS needs for years now, they launch with two.
Gears Tactics - Great turn based tactical game. Already beat it on PC but didn't touch the end game. Will gladly replay in superior form and complete it on XSX.
Ass Creed Valhalla - Playing through Odyssey right now. Should be another great action RPG. Combat looks very brutal.
Dirt 5 - Not my cup of tea in this post-Horizon 4 world, but it's a popular franchise and looks solid.
Tetris Connected - Has a great meta and includes lots of new multiplayer content. As a big Tetris fan I can probably sell my wife on an XSX with this game alone.
Yasnoozea Like a Dragon - See Dirt. Not my cup of tea, but a very popular franchise. Apparently this is timed exclusive for next gen to XSX or something? Stupid if true, and a waste of money by MS.
Avengers - Not buying this game myself as it looks meh as fuck to me, but it's Avengers, its a live service game, it will probably be huge.
Call of the Sea - Puzzle based narrative title with cool visuals.
Crossfire X - Didn't care much for the insider test because of map design and spawns, but those can be fixed for launch. I assume it has to be the most popular MP in the world for a reason.
Crossfire X SP - Listing this separate because it's essentially a different game. Single player designed by Remedy. I question how long it will be, whether it's a fully fledged SP experience or a throwaway add-on to the MP. But what we saw looked very good and very Remedy.
12 Minutes - Been interested in this game ever since it was shown at last E3, IIRC. You're in a time bubble that resets every 12 minutes.
Artful Escape - Seems like this was revealed years ago. Always been interested because the art looks so amazing.
Ascent - Who needs Cyberpunk when you can have couch co-op in this game? AFAIK it got delayed to early 2021, but is still in the launch window.
Gears 5 - Held off on playing this when I heard a SX version was launching with the console. It's like a brand new game for me.
Horizon 4 - See above. Stopped playing the best racer ever when I heard there would be a SX patch. I play on my Scorpio in performance mode to hit 60fps and the game still looks amazing. Apparently on XSX you can go beyond 60fps and the game looks even better. We are humbled, Papa Phil.
Outriders - I think this is still coming this year? Comes from People Can Fly, and AFAIK they have never made a bad game. Ok, they did make Fortnite. My bad. I like how this is not a GaaS type game. I love GaaS, but it's nice to also have games you just beat and they end.

I could list some other titles that are smaller or that I care about even less than Yakuza (like Planet Coaster) or other "optimized for X" games like Ori 2 but I've made my point. Does anyone know when the Control XSX patch is supposed to be coming? I assume maybe 2021, but you'd think they'd want to strike while the iron is hot. That's another game I started but held off on when a SX patch was confirmed.

Also, the bolded games will be free day one in GamePass meaning they don't even require any extra investment on your part.

So a known quality game like Gears Tactics gets a hearty downplay from you because "it belongs to the previous gen" but a PS4 game like Kena looks very interesting. Interesting, indeed.

It really impress me that someone as neutral as you don't like most Sony games but are so excited by some of these games you listed.

Which of those games I listed are like Sony games? Maybe the closest thing is Medium, and even that is a stretch. Either way, move along soldier. 

Kena may be goty material. I'd buy it. Hell, Kameo was my first xbox 360 game. It's right up my alley! But I just feel like people are hyping it up because they have to hype up something as the "killer app''. 

I mean PS2 had SSX. PS1 had Ridge Racer and Toshinden. Gamecube had Rogue Leader. Xbox 360 had CoD2. PS4 had Killzone 2. All perfectly good games but people were just looking for that crown jewel of the launch lineup like Soul Calibur or Mario 64 so they chose a game and bestowed the crown upon it. A year later, these wannabe killer apps were mostly forgotten.

That's how I feel about Kena. It may be an excellent game but it wreaks of "Well, I guess that's the best we got."

They aren't like Sony games for sure.