I think it was ultimately the right decision. I guess we could say this will hurt SX sales a little bit at launch, and that would be a fair assumption, but I think a disappointing Halo would have hurt it just as much if not even more.

What I don't understand is why they seem so fixated in releasing both Single and MP campaigns at the same time. I mean, if the MP is going to be free, then I don't see what would be the problem in releasing that first.

Another thing I don't understand is why some Sony fans seem more upset about MS delaying a game than Sony doing it. I mean, you would think that a delay of a game they actually had plans to play would affect them more. 

Don`t know how Fable will be done, but for me RPGs are the least offensive episodic games besides racing/fighting. You can make a very good arc with like 12h of play each month and in a year would be a big RPG. As longs as the archs are self-contained and interesting enough it can be done fine.

Yeah it is weird but concern trolling Xbox is one of the favorite past times on Chartz.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242157/the-last-of-us-part-ii-and-marvels-iron-man-vr-delayed-until-further-notice/

There is the thread for two Sony titles being delayed including its biggest, and it barely cracked 60 replies and has no negativity. Also has zero presence from Xbox fans outside of sales, who said nothing negative about the delay. In the case of LoU2 the delay is "acceptable", a "good thing", and "expected" thanks to COVID. In the case of Infinite it's the end of the world and MS must be lying about the COVID part. Makes sense.

Also I agree about the disappointing Halo hurting more than no Halo at launch.

Maybe that delay is a good idea after all. The trailer looks really good (except for a few flaws), but I'm pretty sure they can do better.

If the Spiderman game doesen't come to PS4, that could be millions of sales lost this holiday. Lets be frank, not everybody is going to upgrade. Maybe it will be timed, perhaps the PS4 could come a few months later.

I wasn't suggesting marketing deals being as good as a new Halo, but it helps. Cyberpunk seems to be the game for MS to lean on but I doubt it will launch on time. Maybe they have other plans already.

I would hope MS is taking a risk with the Series S to get a very competitive price. It be could be $400, but I hope maybe $300 and perhaps exclude the disc drive. That way they could rely on digital sales. A discless console would also get less criticism given Sony has a discless PS5.

I'm confused by your logic. I feel Halo 5 was a big fuck up for various reasons. My feeling on Halo Infinite was simply it looks fine and I hope its good. If I needed some great graphics to jerk off to, well I would go elsewhere. Last I checked many highly active games don't have great graphics. Perhaps the next Halo game could really push graphics, but a game developed with X1 in mind might not.

I don't feel I really need to be critical, I predicted the game wouldn't make launch. I actually feel MS made a good decision if the game isn't ready or you're a person that wants a more next gen presentation. It seems like they avoided a fuck up to me, the series doesn't need another product that feels half baked at launch. I can't help but think there could be shake up at 343 for fucking this up with significant time to work on it. Maybe they need to get a second studio working on Halo games.

People are suggesting MS has nothing for the Series X launch now that Halo Infinite is delayed, even though its not an actual exclusive for Series X. I suggested MS needs to fill that void by stressing Gamepass which is a service that pushes 1st party content, numerous titles should benefit from Series X. On top of that, MS should also market the 3rd party content coming to the platform.

I don't really feel Microsoft or Sony really has significant content ready for the next gen launch. Spiderman is notable, but it seems like a crossgen game. Horizon looks good, but no release date.

If Halo Infinite launched on time I would have gladly played it. However, since I was really skeptical about the game being ready I'm fine with the delay.

I know they could push Halo much further if they wanted to, that they DON'T want to is the whole problem. The Series X is an amazing piece of hardware and they've already shown what the engine can do with that kind of hardware. The only reason why it failed to deliver is parity. If they are aiming for parity with Xone, its obviously going to seriously limit what they can do on Series X, that's why those games will be running in 120fps on there.

MS did seem to have changed their tune somewhat and they did show games that will be skipping Xone. But all of them are years away or are "console exclusives" that still have to deal with parity - maybe not with the ancient Xone but with mid-range pc specs. Like I said, I don't need to upgrade my pc as I'm hitting the recommended pc requirements already for all of the Series X console exclusives.

Spider Man MM isn't a skinned remaster of the ps4 game, its a smaller, stand alone game, specifically designed for the ps5. I agree that we need to see more before we can draw any conclusions, but in theory they should be able to push the engine much further than what they were able to do on ps4. They can, because they don't have to design the game with parity in mind and they could very well turn it into a tech showcase for the ps5. Hell, they used Spider Man to demonstrate the SSD tech, so it makes sense that they will be making good use of it with MM. 

"People are suggesting MS has nothing for the Series X launch now that Halo Infinite is delayed, even though its not an actual exclusive for Series X."

Your right, Halo Infinate was never a exclusive at all (it was on windows/xbox one's as well).
The Medium is supposedly only Series X (ei. cannot play it on xbox one/s, or xbox one X), its set for 2020.

So atleast series X, has 1 exclusive at or near launch of the console.


"Spiderman is notable, but it seems like a crossgen game."

This is wrong, Miles Morales, is a stand alone game, and its only on PS5.
It supposedly has a new engine. It takes full advantage of the dualsense, the temptest (3d audio) engine with raytraced sound, 3D spartial sound, ... and the game has raytraceing (they just released a picture showcaseing it).

PS4:

PS5:

These are real-time running on a PS5 ingame (highly likely actual gameplay) screenshots/clips.

"Horizon looks good, but no release date."

Its a 2021 game.

Fable hasn't even hired a lead writer or game designer yet. Lets face it, that game isn't coming out soon.

Fable Job Listings Seem to Indicate That Release is Still Far Of

https://www.dualshockers.com/fable-xbox-series-x-release-date-far/

Unless, of course, they'll do some kind of early access thing like they did with Grounded. Personally I don't like them releasing half finished games, though. I think it only hurts games that have great potential. Take Grounded for example. I loved it and can honestly say that game almost changed my entire opinion about GP. I said almost because after an hour of play time, I run across a little robot, smacked it in the head and I already completed the story content... I spend maybe a couple hours more crafting things but I uninstalled it soon after because there wasn't anything else to do.

Imo releasing it in a state like that is a complete waste of a potentially great new ip. Now its getting crappy reviews from the major gaming sites and I've already lost interest. All because the suits care more about filling GP than delivering quality experiences that typically take 5 years or more to make.

Yes that could, but Sony is a platform holder and it isn`t unusual for them to accept to lose SW sales to improve adoption rate of the HW so they can collect royalties. Just like with GT6 they done the opposite, they launched it only for PS3 and lost a lot of sales that they could have got if there was a PS4 version. They also could have hold TLOU2 and GoT to make they crossgen launches with perhaps free upgrade or even be anti-customer and have 2 separate version to help push PS5 sales. Sometimes the strategy of the companies aren`t fully clear to us since we don`t have access to all data.

Ok, because even myself being of Sony field I recognize that no matter MCC and Halo 5 not being the best they could Halo still have a big push in the industry. Very few 3rd parties would come close, with perhaps only a timed GTA deal having a bigger impact for either MS or Sony (talking only 3rd parties) or the likes of CoD and Fifa but those being annual releases and also multiplayer heavy I don`t see happening, at most timed DLC or modes in the game as happened in the past.

Series S needs to be 299, if it launches at 399 it may even be the same price as PS5 without disc or at most 50 cheaper and that would be very hard sell. And sure I do see a Series S 299 having a good chance of sale when made with a good GP+Xcloud+Gold sub for something between 2 and 5 year contract (perhaps 20 bucks or 30 bucks per month).

I`ll side with Pug on this one. When he say it looks like a crossgen it doesn`t mean it will release on PS4 as well, but that the gameplay and graphics don`t see to be of a full blow next gen game (like Horizon) but something that is product of crossgen, engine and assets tweaked and improved but still clearly crossgen (at least that is how it looks so far and that Sony could make it for PS4 if they wanted).