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With Sony and MS releasing new hardware, will Switch be considered as 9th gen?

Yes 78 51.66%
 
No 73 48.34%
 
Total:151

Generations are longer. Back in my day, we walked to school uphill in the snow, popcorn cost a nickel, and generations lasted 4 or 5 years before successors.

The Wii U did so bad, so fast that Nintendo needed an 8th gen "do over".

Now get off my lawn ya damn kids.



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Shiken said:
eva01beserk said:

By that scenario would dictate that the switch is a handheld. It is not affected by the current 8th gen consoles and wont be affected by the 9th gen either. Handhelds and consoles are on diferent cycles. 

Switch was the primary replacement for the WiiU.  It is a console with portability as a feature, deal with it.

Switch is a handheld with optional tv-play and belongs to the handheld generations.

Nintendo left the home console market with the switch.

Ever heard of the saying "what you say is one thing, what you do is another" ?

Nintendo announced/promised a (pure) home console, advertised a hybrid, delivered a handheld.

It's the inabillity of people to properly differenciate between handheld/HC which lead to this pointless thread.

Last edited by GamingRabbit - on 31 July 2020

Current Gaming Systems

    Handheld   Home Console
Nintendo   Switch   Discontinued
Sony   Discontinued   PlayStation 4
Microsoft   None   XBox One
GamingRabbit said:
Shiken said:

Switch was the primary replacement for the WiiU.  It is a console with portability as a feature, deal with it.

Switch is a handheld with optional tv-play and belongs to the handheld generations.

Nintendo left the home console market with the switch.

Every heard of the saying "what you say is one thing, what you do is another" ?

Nintendo announced/promised a (pure) home console, advertised a hybrid, delivered a handheld.

It's the inabillity of people to properly differenciate between handheld/HC which lead to this pointless thread.

So...is it an eighth gen or ninth gen handheld? It's definitely a quantum leap above the 3DS and Vita.



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d21lewis said:
GamingRabbit said:

Switch is a handheld with optional tv-play and belongs to the handheld generations.

Nintendo left the home console market with the switch.

Every heard of the saying "what you say is one thing, what you do is another" ?

Nintendo announced/promised a (pure) home console, advertised a hybrid, delivered a handheld.

It's the inabillity of people to properly differenciate between handheld/HC which lead to this pointless thread.

So...is it an eighth gen or ninth gen handheld? It's definitely a quantum leap above the 3DS and Vita.

I'd say neither. As a Handheld it's Nintendo's 5th Generation.

If you keep handhelds seperate from home consoles you would get 5th gen.

If you want to consolidate both types of systems into 1 generation we would seriously have to consider PS5/XSX to be 10th gen.

Right now, the switch is a little bit less than 3.5 years old. And by the time PS5/XSX release it will be even older.

But you know what? The GBA released 21st of march 2001 and the NDS 21st of november 2004 -> 3.66 years apart.

Also the switch launched more than 3.66 years after PS4/XB1

So if 3.66 years are enough for a new generation (GBA -> DS), then Switch would be the first and only 9th gen system and

PS5/XSX would be Gen 10.

However, we COULD also presume that the PS4Pro is a Gen 9 system, because it is the only system to support VR,

thus giving it PS4pro "exclusives" in a way. It would become real' messy though.

So it's either Gen 5 (handheld time line) for switch, or gen 9 for switch with PS5/XSX being gen 10

Last edited by GamingRabbit - on 31 July 2020

Current Gaming Systems

    Handheld   Home Console
Nintendo   Switch   Discontinued
Sony   Discontinued   PlayStation 4
Microsoft   None   XBox One

Leave it to gamers to make generations complicated.



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I always thought Switch was a mid-gen sub for WiiU, with the ladder being swept under the rug never to be acknowledged again.



 

 

GamingRabbit said:
Shiken said:

Switch was the primary replacement for the WiiU.  It is a console with portability as a feature, deal with it.

Switch is a handheld with optional tv-play and belongs to the handheld generations.

Nintendo left the home console market with the switch.

Every heard of the saying "what you say is one thing, what you do is another" ?

Nintendo announced/promised a (pure) home console, advertised a hybrid, delivered a handheld.

It's the inabillity of people to properly differenciate between handheld/HC which lead to this pointless thread.

What you say is one thing, but what the vast majority of people use it for is another.  Every poll I have seen is showing more people playing docked with a pro controller, using it as a console (or both with docked being favored).  It has the ability to further downclock its performance to allow for portability as a feature.

Nintendo advertised a console with hybrid functionality, and delivered just that.



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It's a hybrid. It can switch between generations. It also has a dock.



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GamingRabbit said:
d21lewis said:

So...is it an eighth gen or ninth gen handheld? It's definitely a quantum leap above the 3DS and Vita.

I'd say neither. As a Handheld it's Nintendo's 5th Generation.

If you keep handhelds seperate from home consoles you would get 5th gen.

If you want to consolidate both types of systems into 1 generation we would seriously have to consider PS5/XSX to be 10th gen.

Right now, the switch is a little bit less than 3.5 years old. And by the time PS5/XSX release it will be even older.

But you know what? The GBA released 21st of march 2001 and the NDS 21st of november 2004 -> 3.66 years apart.

Also the switch launched more than 3.66 years after PS4/XB1

So if 3.66 years are enough for a new generation (GBA -> DS), then Switch would be the first and only 9th gen system and

PS5/XSX would be Gen 10.

However, we COULD also presume that the PS4Pro is a Gen 9 system, because it is the only system to support VR,

thus giving it PS4pro "exclusives" in a way. It would become real' messy though.

So it's either Gen 5 (handheld time line) for switch, or gen 9 for switch with PS5/XSX being gen 10

Well baseline PS4 also supports PSVR.



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Gens are a bad concept to use at this point. In fact really even in the past gens have been such a nebulous concept, to the point that for example Second generation seems to span 1976–1992, Third generation 1983–2003, Fourth generation 1987–2004. It doesn't really make any sense.

Normally we have compared consoles to consoles and handhelds to handhelds, and tried to lump gens by proximity and tech. Switch is a hybrid which cannibalizes both markets, which makes it hard to compare apples to apples.

Switch is going to fairly neatly fit half it's lifespan during the '8th gen' with PS4/XBONE and half is lifespan during the '9th' gen with PS5/XBX, yet be considered 9th gen?

Other than a few added bits of tech, granted really good tech, like ray tracing and SSD. PS5/XBX are going to be iterative at best and with the XBX at least will be 'backwards compatible', although really it's just maintaining the same kind of compatibility PC games have enjoyed for a long long time. PS5 could be the same. It's like another refresh, like PS4Pro and XBONE X. Unless Nintendo decides to gamble yet again and potentially pull another Wii U, why not just release a Switch New (Switch 2023-24) that is just a bump like the PS4Pro, and XBONE X, forever.

What happens further down the line when more and more of this stuff is in the cloud and all these games, perhaps not Nintendo, can be played on any device with the only restriction in fidelity being how good your internet and screen is?

If we are going to continue to compare devices to devices, lets just drop the gen moniker and compare as is. We currently compare PS4/XBONE/Switch as a group, even if many people consider Switch next gen. And when PS5/XBX release still compare with Switch as well. Focus on launch align trajectory, sales gaps, software attach, etc. Not whether they won a gen or not, but rather if they are winning the this weeks/months sales.



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