Forums - Gaming Discussion - Poll - Is Switch a 9th gen console?

With Sony and MS releasing new hardware, will Switch be considered as 9th gen?

Yes 78 51.66%
 
No 73 48.34%
 
Total:151
Shiken said:
GamingRabbit said:

Switch is a handheld with optional tv-play and belongs to the handheld generations.

Nintendo left the home console market with the switch.

Every heard of the saying "what you say is one thing, what you do is another" ?

Nintendo announced/promised a (pure) home console, advertised a hybrid, delivered a handheld.

It's the inabillity of people to properly differenciate between handheld/HC which lead to this pointless thread.

What you say is one thing, but what the vast majority of people use it for is another.  Every poll I have seen is showing more people playing docked with a pro controller, using it as a console (or both with docked being favored).  It has the ability to further downclock its performance to allow for portability as a feature.

Nintendo advertised a console with hybrid functionality, and delivered just that.

Yes nintendo avertised it as a hybrid, and that's where everyone fell for nintendos lies.

The clockspeeds are software based, and play no part in its definition. The switch can opperate just fine at max speed.

Nintendo could unlock for us them at any moment and the only thing changing would be the battery life.

Also what people use it for the most doesnt matter, if what they use it for is already included within the definition of a handheld.

Handhelds are portable systems. Portable systems are made to guarantee portable usabillity (aka independence)  not to prevent stationary use by definition.

Sure some portable devices may not offer a tv-out type of functionality but that doesnt matter, because they are allowed, but not obliged to provide it.

Portable systems, including handhelds as a specialized form, are defined as

o always offering portable use

o sometimes offering stationary use

Stationary systems are defined as

o always offering stationary use

o never offering portable use

I can see where Nintendo tricked you into believing it's a home console. Because both types have an intersection with stationary use.

But you can easily check what kind of system you have.

If you can "undock" the system, it's a portable device ( Laptop, Handheld, Smartphone, etc.),

if you cannot "undock" the system it's a stationary device (HC, PC, Server, etc.)

DroidKnight said:
It's a hybrid. It can switch between generations. It also has a dock.

The dock does not support the system in doing its core tasks (calculate, render, create, recieving inputs, etc.)

It's only function is to deliver power to the switch and forward the finished picture to the tv and thats nothing exclusive to a gaming system.

(Thus not affecting its definition)

It would take a second gpu/cpu/other core components inside the dock itself to make the switch a hybrid.

Because what all hybrids share is the necessity of having to have 2 or more core task specific sets of hardware.

Example: a hybrid car has both, an internal combustion engine and an electric motor,

because depending on the mode the car is in, it cannot use the other engine.

This does not apply to the switch. Switch uses the same hardware for both modes,

and using the same hardware for both modes is not a switch but a gear shift .

DonFerrari said:

Well baseline PS4 also supports PSVR.

It does? Then scratch that part.

I wasnt entirly sure whether base ps4 does or doesnt and rather than checking it I just assumed that it's just the Pro which does.

In that case, Switch would be the only 9th gen system.

Last edited by GamingRabbit - on 31 July 2020

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PS4 and XB1 getting owned by the Wii-U is some hilarious revisionism.

I approve.



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DroidKnight said:
It's a hybrid. It can switch between generations. It also has a dock.

The dock does not support the system in doing its core tasks (calculate, render, create, recieving inputs, etc.)

It's only function is to deliver power to the switch and forward the finished picture to the tv and thats nothing exclusive to a gaming system.

(Thus not affecting its definition)

It would take a second gpu/cpu/other core components inside the dock itself to make the switch a hybrid.

Because what all hybrids share is the necessity of having to have 2 or more core task specific sets of hardware.

Example: a hybrid car has both, an internal combustion engine and an electric motor,

because depending on the mode the car is in, it cannot use the other engine.

This does not apply to the switch. Switch uses the same hardware for both modes,

and using the same hardware for both modes is not a switch but a gear shift .

Hybrid is a bullshit marketing term.



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GamingRabbit said:
Shiken said:

What you say is one thing, but what the vast majority of people use it for is another.  Every poll I have seen is showing more people playing docked with a pro controller, using it as a console (or both with docked being favored).  It has the ability to further downclock its performance to allow for portability as a feature.

Nintendo advertised a console with hybrid functionality, and delivered just that.

Yes nintendo avertised it as a hybrid, and that's where everyone fell for nintendos lies.

The clockspeeds are software based, and play no part in its definition. The switch can opperate just fine at max speed.

Nintendo could unlock for us them at any moment and the only thing changing would be the battery life.

Also what people use it for the most doesnt matter, if what they use it for is already included within the definition of a handheld.

Handhelds are portable systems. Portable systems are made to guarantee portable usabillity (aka independence)  not to prevent stationary use by definition.

Sure some portable devices may not offer a tv-out type of functionality but that doesnt matter, because they are allowed, but not obliged to provide it.

Portable systems, including handhelds as a specialized form, are defined as

o always offering portable use

o sometimes offering stationary use

Stationary systems are defined as

o always offering stationary use

o never offering portable use

I can see where Nintendo tricked you into believing it's a home console. Because both types have an intersection with stationary use.

But you can easily check what kind of system you have.

If you can "undock" the system, it's a portable device ( Laptop, Handheld, Smartphone, etc.),

if you cannot "undock" the system it's a stationary device (HC, PC, Server, etc.)

DroidKnight said:
It's a hybrid. It can switch between generations. It also has a dock.

The dock does not support the system in doing its core tasks (calculate, render, create, recieving inputs, etc.)

It's only function is to deliver power to the switch and forward the finished picture to the tv and thats nothing exclusive to a gaming system.

(Thus not affecting its definition)

It would take a second gpu/cpu/other core components inside the dock itself to make the switch a hybrid.

Because what all hybrids share is the necessity of having to have 2 or more core task specific sets of hardware.

Example: a hybrid car has both, an internal combustion engine and an electric motor,

because depending on the mode the car is in, it cannot use the other engine.

This does not apply to the switch. Switch uses the same hardware for both modes,

and using the same hardware for both modes is not a switch but a gear shift .

DonFerrari said:

Well baseline PS4 also supports PSVR.

It does? Then scratch that part.

I wasnt entirly sure whether base ps4 does or doesnt and rather than checking it I just assumed that it's just the Pro which does.

In that case, Switch would be the only 9th gen system.

Sure pro have a much better run of VR and also have additional port to make it easier to use VR, but baseline PS4 can play VR.



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It's a handheld.



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It doesnt matter what it is...it's going to fall of a cliff and sell negative numbers...



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I would suggest a better question is why does it matter?



Shiken said:
Truthstation said:

8th generation

Wii U: 2012

PS4: 2013 

Xbox One: 2013

Mid-gen upgrades of 8th generation:

Switch: 2017

PS4 Slim / PS4 Pro: 2016

Xbox One S / Xbox One X: 2016/2017

Btw Wikipedia lists Switch as 8th generation too. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles

Switch is not a mid gen upgrade, but an entirely new device with its own library.  Your logic is flawed.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and therefore is open to people who mistakenly call it gen 8 to state as much.  That does not make it fact.  The bigger factor is how long it competes with the PS5 and XSX.  If it stays on the market beyond 2023, there is no denying it as a 9th gen console with hybrid functions.  And with the way Switch is selling, don't expect a successor anytime soon.

Couple that with the fact that it replaced the actual gen 8 console, and it becomes all that more clear that Switch is part of gen 9.

My point was:
Wii U competed with the PS4 & Xbox One.
Switch competed with the PS4 Pro & Xbox One X.

The argument that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone doesn't mean that the given information are wrong. Everything gets constantly checked.



Truthstation said:
Shiken said:

Switch is not a mid gen upgrade, but an entirely new device with its own library.  Your logic is flawed.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and therefore is open to people who mistakenly call it gen 8 to state as much.  That does not make it fact.  The bigger factor is how long it competes with the PS5 and XSX.  If it stays on the market beyond 2023, there is no denying it as a 9th gen console with hybrid functions.  And with the way Switch is selling, don't expect a successor anytime soon.

Couple that with the fact that it replaced the actual gen 8 console, and it becomes all that more clear that Switch is part of gen 9.

My point was:
Wii U competed with the PS4 & Xbox One.
Switch competed with the PS4 Pro & Xbox One X.

The argument that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone doesn't mean that the given information are wrong. Everything gets constantly checked.

This. Certain articles are incomplete but on the whole, Wikipedia is pretty accurate.



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Truthstation said:
Shiken said:

Switch is not a mid gen upgrade, but an entirely new device with its own library.  Your logic is flawed.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and therefore is open to people who mistakenly call it gen 8 to state as much.  That does not make it fact.  The bigger factor is how long it competes with the PS5 and XSX.  If it stays on the market beyond 2023, there is no denying it as a 9th gen console with hybrid functions.  And with the way Switch is selling, don't expect a successor anytime soon.

Couple that with the fact that it replaced the actual gen 8 console, and it becomes all that more clear that Switch is part of gen 9.

My point was:
Wii U competed with the PS4 & Xbox One.
Switch competed with the PS4 Pro & Xbox One X.

The argument that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone doesn't mean that the given information are wrong. Everything gets constantly checked.

My point is:

PS4 Pro and X1X are just beefed up versions of the same PS4 and X1.  The Switch is a completely different device independent of the WiiU, and therefore Nintendo's next gen console.

As for wikipedia, I guess the people constantly checking it are just as capable of being misinformed as anyone else.

Last edited by Shiken - on 31 July 2020

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