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People still assuming this is anyway related to Switch. Nintendo could jump to Samsung/RDNA for all we know. Nvidia may well be taking all from softbank to combat this.



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padib said:
curl-6 said:

The whole point of the Switch was to unify Nintendo's development onto a single platform; supporting multiple generations at once runs directly counter to the Switch's direction.

In your mind, yes, but not according to Nintendo's proclaimed direction. The Switch, its united library, and the paradigm of smart devices, will ultimately be Nintendo's direction as they claimed. One has already materialised, the other is yet to materialize. The OP is proof that this direction is finally taking form.

Nintendo have never once said they are pursuing the smartphone paradigm. That is all just assumption on your part.

The OP does not in any way point to this either. It points to a "next generation" device.

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Random_Matt said:
People still assuming this is anyway related to Switch. Nintendo could jump to Samsung/RDNA for all we know. Nvidia may well be taking all from softbank to combat this.

Unlikely when Nintendo prob wants to keep BC and Nvidia mentioned they think they will work with Nintendo for 20 years. Sounds about right as they kinda with AMD for about that long. Samsung is likely more expensive.



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curl-6 said:
padib said:

In your mind, yes, but not according to Nintendo's proclaimed direction. The Switch, its united library, and the paradigm of smart devices, will ultimately be Nintendo's direction as they claimed. One has already materialised, the other is yet to materialize. The OP is proof that this direction is finally taking form.

Nintendo have never once said they are pursuing the smartphone paradigm. That is all just assumption on your part.

The OP does not in any way point to this either. It points to a "next generation" device.

Okay, I will go find the quote...



Random_Matt said:
People still assuming this is anyway related to Switch. Nintendo could jump to Samsung/RDNA for all we know. Nvidia may well be taking all from softbank to combat this.

How many companies are really making game consoles that would require a next-generation Tegra chip? It's not a big club exactly. 

RDNA sucks anyway, Nvidia's architecture is better for Nintendo. 



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Soundwave said:
Random_Matt said:
People still assuming this is anyway related to Switch. Nintendo could jump to Samsung/RDNA for all we know. Nvidia may well be taking all from softbank to combat this.

How many companies are really making game consoles that would require a next-generation Tegra chip? It's not a big club exactly. 

RDNA sucks anyway, Nvidia's architecture is better for Nintendo. 

RDNA is a solid architecture.
But the RDNA chips we have on PC aren't actually true built-from-the-ground-up RDNA chips, they are based on Graphics Core Next with enhancements from "RDNA2". - Basically hybrid designs for faster time-to-market, AMD couldn't have just pushed out Polaris and Vega for another year or two, they needed an interim product.

Tegra is certainly a better fit for Nintendo right now.
AMD is making some interesting low-power, high-performance inroads though.



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curl-6 said:
padib said:

In your mind, yes, but not according to Nintendo's proclaimed direction. The Switch, its united library, and the paradigm of smart devices, will ultimately be Nintendo's direction as they claimed. One has already materialised, the other is yet to materialize. The OP is proof that this direction is finally taking form.

Nintendo have never once said they are pursuing the smartphone paradigm. That is all just assumption on your part.

The OP does not in any way point to this either. It points to a "next generation" device.

I will post them as I find them, since I already spent all morning looking for the post I wanted but still haven't found it. On my way I found this gem that I remember for 2014:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/events/140130/02.html

"Let me first talk about redefining the concept of a video game platform.
This medium-term goal is not expected to come to full fruition within the time frame of this current calendar year. However, I feel that this is going to play an extremely crucial role in deciding whether dedicated video game platforms can adjust to rapid environmental changes in today’s market and can develop as a sound business.

The traditional definition of a video game platform was closely related to some kind of hardware and it would be no exaggeration to say that platforms were equivalent in meaning to physical devices.

That is to say, we only had device-based relationships with consumers in the past. As we were connected with a single consumer differently on different devices, we had some natural problems."

Nintendo's half-solution to this problem is the NNID, but the real solution to this problem Nintendo is aware of is something like Microsoft's Smart Delivery in combination with the NNID. Regardless of whether I find that quote I was looking for or not, the solution to the problem I am quoting (Smart Delivery + Cloud Saves) will become industry standard within the next gen.

So, while without the quote I can't confirm that Nintendo understands the needed solution (to make software seamlessly transition from one hardware jump to another or to reduce the hardware gaps so as to fully blur the lines and create a unified platform that crosses hardware changes), they have proven to be aware of the problem by mentioning it, and by trying to bring their own solutions to the table.

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padib said:
curl-6 said:

Nintendo have never once said they are pursuing the smartphone paradigm. That is all just assumption on your part.

The OP does not in any way point to this either. It points to a "next generation" device.

I will post them as I find them, since I already spent all morning looking for the post I wanted but still haven't found it. On my way I found this gem that I remember for 2014:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/events/140130/02.html

"Let me first talk about redefining the concept of a video game platform.
This medium-term goal is not expected to come to full fruition within the time frame of this current calendar year. However, I feel that this is going to play an extremely crucial role in deciding whether dedicated video game platforms can adjust to rapid environmental changes in today’s market and can develop as a sound business.

The traditional definition of a video game platform was closely related to some kind of hardware and it would be no exaggeration to say that platforms were equivalent in meaning to physical devices.

That is to say, we only had device-based relationships with consumers in the past. As we were connected with a single consumer differently on different devices, we had some natural problems."

Nintendo's half-solution to this problem is the NNID, but the real solution to this problem Nintendo is aware of is something like Microsoft's Smart Delivery in combination with the NNID. Regardless of whether I find that quote I was looking for or not, the solution to the problem I am quoting (Smart Delivery + Cloud Saves) will become industry standard within the next gen.

So, while without the quote I can't confirm that Nintendo understands the needed solution (to make software seamlessly transition from one hardware jump to another or to reduce the hardware gaps so as to fully blur the lines and create a unified platform that crosses hardware changes), they have proven to be aware of the problem by mentioning it, and by trying to bring their own solutions to the table.

You can make software seamlessly transition between hardware without needing to release smartphone-like iterations of hardware every couple of years though; I mean, I mean they could do the same thing with a full blown generational successor.



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curl-6 said:

You can make software seamlessly transition between hardware without needing to release smartphone-like iterations of hardware every couple of years though; I mean, I mean they could do the same thing with a full blown generational successor.

They can, but it's much more difficult. The higher the gap, the more difficult it is to support older hardware.

I find that the post I linked to earlier explains it well.



padib said:
curl-6 said:

You can make software seamlessly transition between hardware without needing to release smartphone-like iterations of hardware every couple of years though; I mean, I mean they could do the same thing with a full blown generational successor.

They can, but it's much more difficult. The higher the gap, the more difficult it is to support older hardware.

I find that the post I linked to earlier explains it well.

The argument that Nintendo needs to release new hardware soon to continue getting ports is ultimately a flawed one because firstly third party ports aren't what is selling the system, and secondly the sooner they release a new system, the less capable it will be of getting next gen ports. Better to wait until 2023/2024 when it can be to PS5/XSX what Switch 1 was to PS4/Xbone.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.