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hunter_alien said:
PotentHerbs said:

Sony bought a 1.4% stake lol. 

Yupp... Sony buys a 1.4% stake in Epic the world goes crazy. MS buys 11 studios, but it is fair play That's how things work, it would seem.

Don't forget MS buys 11 studio fair play, rumour of Sony buying one studio is the doom for console gaming and MS will counter buying another 15 studios to keep things even.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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sales2099 said:
LurkerJ said:
Lol, some of you have wild imagination. Whatever rationalization works for you, go with it I guess.

Rationalize this: Sony managed to create more buzz with a 2:08 minutes demo than what MS did with their entire 28 minutes Xbox X reveal. 


Realistically this just means positive PR for PS and lesser acknowledgement of Xbox in future UE developments. Which I see now is no big deal in the grand scheme.
But it’s your rationalize comment that I think that’s more of a personal annoyance then any actual threat in the console brand war. 

From my perspective, Xbox has Coalition, Obsidian, InXile, Ninja Theory among others that are using UE4 and UE5 when it becomes available. The only PS studio that used UE was Bend for Days Gone (correct if wrong). A quality game but wasn’t a graphical showpiece of the engine either. The dev made high caliber PS Vita games in the past if I’m not mistaken.

So I guess it just boils down to the audacity of it. That 2 minute demo should have got Xbox gamers excited based on what Xbox studios who are using the engine would do on Series X. But instead it benefited solely Sony while they have only 1 studio that uses it.

Its just weird is all. Their $250 million is all ready proving to provide a considerable PR boost. I said my piece and gave credit to where it’s due. At least you know where I’m coming from. 

We know you are still sour over it...



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

This was just a flex from Sony to remind people they have money in the bank, people literally think just because MS is much richer, Sony is dirt poor and couldn't buy jack. Yet here they are dropping 250 mill for a measly 1%. 



AbbathTheGrim said:

I remember those years ago when people used to say: "Sony is going bankrupt any minute now! Sony can't sell a building every year for their earnings report!"

Now it's: "Sony needs to back off getting their hands everywhere!"

How things change.

My first uninformed impression about this news was: Sony may release PC content through Epic Store, but I don't know, maybe that's a stretch... but then Horizon Zero Dawn releases on PC and maybe Sony is planning to release PS exclusives on PC months after their PS5 release.

Don't forget poor MS, can't buy their success even though they have infinite money.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

$250m only gave Sony a 1.3% share in the company.
Not sure what they plan on doing with that, but doesn't seem to give them any notable influence.



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Hiku said:
$250m only gave Sony a 1.3% share in the company.
Not sure what they plan on doing with that, but doesn't seem to give them any notable influence.

Its gets them some PR, maybe it got them first Dibs on a demo on their platform.  It probably will get them minor pub as well.  Its a nice move since their competitor do not get that free pub and helps in gamers mind share.  When you go to battle every move helps even if you already have the lead.  Nothing like dismissing your competition and getting blindsided.  Keep the gas going.



DonFerrari said:
hunter_alien said:

Yupp... Sony buys a 1.4% stake in Epic the world goes crazy. MS buys 11 studios, but it is fair play That's how things work, it would seem.

Don't forget MS buys 11 studio fair play, rumour of Sony buying one studio is the doom for console gaming and MS will counter buying another 15 studios to keep things even.

It’s not the same, MS buys studios to combat Sony’s gaming monopoly. Sony buying studios is meant to maintain their monopoly. Not that I’m against monopolies (looking at MSs OS in case you retort with that) but I do believe we all win if there’s enough marketshare to go around like 360/PS3. Xbox getting scraps like this gen will just make another Nintendo which is forced to make underpowered yet unique hardware to stay in the game. I prefer Xbox to remain a “traditional” competitor in the gaming space. 



 

 

chakkra said:
chakkra said:

I don't see many negatives to be honest; I mean, unless this paves the way to having Sony games ported to EGS, which I'm sure many Sony fans would perceive as a negative thing.

When it comes to MS, well, this shouldn't affect them much unless Epic decides to over-optimize the engine for the PS5 architecture, in which case MS would be forced to find a different engine for their games, but that would affect Epic's profits directly so I don't think they would go that far.

In that meantime, Sweeney tweeting every week to do PR for PS5 hasn't done Xbox any good, that's for sure.

Then again, seeing how much Sony's exclusives outsold MS's exclusives this gen, I wouldn't be surprised if Sweeney concluded that it would be worth losing MS as a customer if that meant getting Sony to use the engine for their games.

Considering the quality of the top tier engines some of the sony studios use they could even benefit from having that knowledge be shared with them and improve their already very good unreal engine.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Don't forget MS buys 11 studio fair play, rumour of Sony buying one studio is the doom for console gaming and MS will counter buying another 15 studios to keep things even.

It’s not the same, MS buys studios to combat Sony’s gaming monopoly. Sony buying studios is meant to maintain their monopoly. Not that I’m against monopolies (looking at MSs OS in case you retort with that) but I do believe we all win if there’s enough marketshare to go around like 360/PS3. Xbox getting scraps like this gen will just make another Nintendo which is forced to make underpowered yet unique hardware to stay in the game. I prefer Xbox to remain a “traditional” competitor in the gaming space. 

What monopoly?

If you are talking gaming as a whole then Sony revenue is like what 5% of the total revenue in gaming?

If you want to exclude smartphone gaming and PC and just put on dedicated devices, then perhaps Sony revenue is like what 20% of the total revenue?

Even if you then want to consider only the console gaming and exclude third party for shit and giggles you would have Sony at 70% against MS 30%?

There isn't any way you can put gaming as a Sony monopoly.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
Well that would match the praises they are getting, PS4 exclusives going to PC first on Epic Store and all... perhaps that is Sony trying to expand to PC

I think its more like investing in Unreal Engine technology. Sony is in the movie business as well and this kind of partnership would benefit both parties in that regard.

Unreal wanting to branch out more into the movie/TV business and Sony putting investing more into that tech in their entertainment/gaming business. UE might blow up and be the game changer in the movies industry for SFX in the years ahead. Since its a very unique attributes is that UE can render such high quality scenes in real-time. UE4 is used by Disney and Pixar currently.