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How do you define a political moderate?

Someone who favors only modest changes. 5 20.00%
 
Someone who holds a comb... 20 80.00%
 
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sundin13 said:
snyps said:

All I’m saying is records don’t lie, politicians do. There’s no reason to believe a liar has changed. They will say what is popular. If you want more recent records, look at Biden’s VP pick. Harris, a state prosecutor of all things, opposed legalization of marijuana in her state. She co-authored an opposition letter to stop it’s passage, and was successful. 2016 it finally passed without her endorsement. Records show, in her 5 years, Harris sent 1,500 people to state prison (not just jail) for MariJuana related offenses and increased drug dealer convictions from 50% to 75%. Now she created the MORE act. Which I have to read still, but it could be a step in the right direction. 

when I see a police turn it’s lights on I don’t think, “oh good, they caught a bad guy.” Instead I think, “Oh those poor people are being extorted for money.”

Records do lie, if you are using them to assume the future. Harris is a good example of that.

Harris sponsored the Senate version of a bill which would deschedule marijuana and expunge federal convictions, came out in favor of legalization in 2018 and signed/sponsored several bills following through on that. She has repeatedly called for the legalization of marijuana and her record over the last several years is consistent with that position.

If you stood up in 2018 and said that Harris' past would predict her future, you would be dead wrong.

She changed sides after California turned against her. She switched sides on the issue because of popularity not conviction. Decriminalization is not a price of her moral fiber. She is just doing what politicians do, trying to be electable.



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snyps said:
sundin13 said:

Records do lie, if you are using them to assume the future. Harris is a good example of that.

Harris sponsored the Senate version of a bill which would deschedule marijuana and expunge federal convictions, came out in favor of legalization in 2018 and signed/sponsored several bills following through on that. She has repeatedly called for the legalization of marijuana and her record over the last several years is consistent with that position.

If you stood up in 2018 and said that Harris' past would predict her future, you would be dead wrong.

She changed sides after California turned against her. She switched sides on the issue because of popularity not conviction. Decriminalization is not a price of her moral fiber. She is just doing what politicians do, trying to be electable.

...yeah, exactly.

That was kind of my point. I honestly don't care if it is based on "conviction". Both Biden and Kamala changed positions on numerous issues. That's all that really matters. Like you said, politicians try to be electable (remember when I said early that changing positions was natural for politicians?). As such, I don't understand the assumption that they will sabotage that electability and go "ha, jk" as soon as they take power.



Locknuts said:
Tim Pool

Exactly my thoughts. The left went so crazy that the guy is about to change his beanie to a maga hat.

For myself, I would be considered center left 10 years ago. My opinions didnt change and to be fair from an economics point of view my opinion even went a little bit to the left. 

But now 10 years later, same person an opinions, Im considered an alt right biggot.



sundin13 said:
snyps said:

She changed sides after California turned against her. She switched sides on the issue because of popularity not conviction. Decriminalization is not a price of her moral fiber. She is just doing what politicians do, trying to be electable.

...yeah, exactly.

That was kind of my point. I honestly don't care if it is based on "conviction". Both Biden and Kamala changed positions on numerous issues. That's all that really matters. Like you said, politicians try to be electable (remember when I said early that changing positions was natural for politicians?). As such, I don't understand the assumption that they will sabotage that electability and go "ha, jk" as soon as they take power.

If that’s all you’re looking for, that’s great. That doesn’t do it for me. I want a leader who is dedicated to the principle of liberty, not control. A person who says what you want to hear just wants control. 



snyps said:
sundin13 said:

...yeah, exactly.

That was kind of my point. I honestly don't care if it is based on "conviction". Both Biden and Kamala changed positions on numerous issues. That's all that really matters. Like you said, politicians try to be electable (remember when I said early that changing positions was natural for politicians?). As such, I don't understand the assumption that they will sabotage that electability and go "ha, jk" as soon as they take power.

If that’s all you’re looking for, that’s great. That doesn’t do it for me. I want a leader who is dedicated to the principle of liberty, not control. A person who says what you want to hear just wants control. 

Primaries are for shooting your shot on the candidate you like. I took my shot on the candidate I liked, but what I got is Biden. Now I have two choices and only two choices, no matter how I feel about that: Biden and Trump.

That choice should be simple if your ideal candidate is someone to the left of Biden.

And if you decide not to make a choice, that isn't a noble act of rebellion or anything like that, it is simply you empowering the status quo.



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sundin13 said:
snyps said:

If that’s all you’re looking for, that’s great. That doesn’t do it for me. I want a leader who is dedicated to the principle of liberty, not control. A person who says what you want to hear just wants control. 

Primaries are for shooting your shot on the candidate you like. I took my shot on the candidate I liked, but what I got is Biden. Now I have two choices and only two choices, no matter how I feel about that: Biden and Trump.

That choice should be simple if your ideal candidate is someone to the left of Biden.

And if you decide not to make a choice, that isn't a noble act of rebellion or anything like that, it is simply you empowering the status quo.

I am voting, not for the red/blue party. 



snyps said:
sundin13 said:

Primaries are for shooting your shot on the candidate you like. I took my shot on the candidate I liked, but what I got is Biden. Now I have two choices and only two choices, no matter how I feel about that: Biden and Trump.

That choice should be simple if your ideal candidate is someone to the left of Biden.

And if you decide not to make a choice, that isn't a noble act of rebellion or anything like that, it is simply you empowering the status quo.

I am voting, not for the red/blue party. 

Voting third party is functionally no different than not voting (assuming you are in a state where your vote matters).



sundin13 said:
snyps said:

I am voting, not for the red/blue party. 

Voting third party is functionally no different than not voting (assuming you are in a state where your vote matters).

If you spend your vote on a candidate who truly has the nation’s best interest in mind, who will actively bring real, positive, Constitutional change, and who adequately represents the ideals for which you stand, then you have not wasted your vote but rather invested it. I have no common ground with Biden or Trump, that’d be the real wasted vote imo. Edit: The binary choice wants to fight endless wars, make decisions for me, and increase spending. 

Last edited by snyps - on 16 August 2020

snyps said:
sundin13 said:

Voting third party is functionally no different than not voting (assuming you are in a state where your vote matters).

If you spend your vote on a candidate who truly has the nation’s best interest in mind, who will actively bring real, positive, Constitutional change, and who adequately represents the ideals for which you stand, then you have not wasted your vote but rather invested it. I have no common ground with Biden or Trump, that’d be the real wasted vote imo. Edit: The binary choice wants to fight endless wars, make decisions for me, and increase spending. 

How will that benefit when they will inevitably get 2% of the vote? Again, if you are further left than Biden, this should be an easy choice, because one candidate will  slowly walk towards that goal, while the other will run in the opposite direction, harming millions of people along the way and making it more and more difficult for meaningful change to occur in the future.



sundin13 said:
snyps said:

If you spend your vote on a candidate who truly has the nation’s best interest in mind, who will actively bring real, positive, Constitutional change, and who adequately represents the ideals for which you stand, then you have not wasted your vote but rather invested it. I have no common ground with Biden or Trump, that’d be the real wasted vote imo. Edit: The binary choice wants to fight endless wars, make decisions for me, and increase spending. 

How will that benefit when they will inevitably get 2% of the vote? Again, if you are further left than Biden, this should be an easy choice, because one candidate will  slowly walk towards that goal, while the other will run in the opposite direction, harming millions of people along the way and making it more and more difficult for meaningful change to occur in the future.

My views are on an opposite spectrum from left/right speak. Both red and blue run further towards authoritarianism. I am for government, but how can we call ourselves The land of the free while leading the world in prison population?

25% of the US believes Trump and Biden are not fit to be president. What would happen if we voted for the people we aligned with, instead of against the person we don’t align with? It is beneficial, it has to start somewhere.