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forest-spirit said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Doesnt matter, if you have no proof, no evidence, no witnesses, you should be prepared to be sued back because we have a lot of cases where people have made accusations only to destroy the person life. Also a sexual offense once becomes public already destroyed your life even if it is 100% a lie. Its terrible that people use it as a way to silence others, but it should be reason to destroy someone without proof. So in my opinion, if you are innocent, sue back agressively. 

Good thing then that eye-witnesses and video tapes are so common in these cases...

Seriously, this is some of the dumbest shit I've read in a while, as you're basically telling victims of rape to shut the fuck up.

The dumbest shit I read in a while is we should let people accuse other with no proof, evidence, witnesses, nothing.

if I have a crazy ex girlfriend that all of a sudden wants to fuck me and say I raped her go to the police and I go to jail or have my life destroyed because she just wanted some kind of revenge, without proof, witnesses, video, nothing.

It's all fun and games until we have cases like in Brazil where one guy was jailed as a rapist, he then was raped to death in prision, got aids and after a few years his ex wife admitted to the police she was lying and he was released. Beautiful.

It's all fun and games until it happens to you or someone you know.



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Ka-pi96 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Doesnt matter, if you have no proof, no evidence, no witnesses, you should be prepared to be sued back because we have a lot of cases where people have made accusations only to destroy the person life. Also a sexual offense once becomes public already destroyed your life even if it is 100% a lie. Its terrible that people use it as a way to silence others, but it should be reason to destroy someone without proof. So in my opinion, if you are innocent, sue back agressively. 

I mean, doesn't that then just destroy the life of the victim (doubly so) if they can't prove anything?

In an ideal world the accusations alone wouldn't actually ruin anybody. They wouldn't lose their job or anything until it had actually been proven. But there would still be a question mark over them, which if they never did anything wrong shouldn't be too much of an issue, but if they did should make it much harder for them to do anything again and much more likely to get caught too.

If that's how it worked then false accusations wouldn't really matter, but legit accusations whether backed up by proof or not, would still be worthwhile.

100% agree with you. But as I said, this is a very complicated matter that we don't have a solution yet. One thing we could do is to not cancel the person that was accused until it has been solved by justice, but this will never happen unfortunately.

Another option would be to not allow the accuser to be sued back, but let the accused sue the state instead and be compensated for it since his life is now over. A kind of "me too" law or whatever, which would protect the accuser but also provide some relief for the accused.

Again, dont know, this is very very complicated.



Mike Watson publicized these issues with Mr. Wizard in 2018. No one paid him any mind.

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EnricoPallazzo said:
TruckOSaurus said:

That's what enables a lot of sexual predators. Proof is very hard to come by in cases of sexual harassment or even in cases of rape if the victim doesn't go to the police right away. So it boils down to a situation of "your word against mine" most of time.

Doesnt matter, if you have no proof, no evidence, no witnesses, you should be prepared to be sued back because we have a lot of cases where people have made accusations only to destroy the person life. Also a sexual offense once becomes public already destroyed your life even if it is 100% a lie. Its terrible that people use it as a way to silence others, but it should be reason to destroy someone without proof. So in my opinion, if you are innocent, sue back agressively. 

Yeah, I seem to recall reading a study that said that something like 70% of all sexual abuse and harassment allegations that have been properly investigated since the Me Too era began turned out to be false. Somebody doesn't like their boss, they can simply say "he made unwarranted sexual advances and made me feel uncomfortable", and then the boss is gone. Don't like something a celebrity said? Accuse them of sexual assault and suddenly they are cancelled, kicked off of whatever tv shows or movies they were doing, without any proof or chance to defend themselves.

The Me Too movement has made things worse for people who faced actual sexual assault and harassment, as there are so many people crying wolf that it becomes harder and harder for people to believe those who are legit. 

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shikamaru317 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Doesnt matter, if you have no proof, no evidence, no witnesses, you should be prepared to be sued back because we have a lot of cases where people have made accusations only to destroy the person life. Also a sexual offense once becomes public already destroyed your life even if it is 100% a lie. Its terrible that people use it as a way to silence others, but it should be reason to destroy someone without proof. So in my opinion, if you are innocent, sue back agressively. 

Yeah, I seem to recall reading a study that said that something like 70% of all sexual abuse and harassment allegations that have been properly investigated since the Me Too era began turned out to be false. Somebody doesn't like their boss, they can simply say "he made unwarranted sexual advances and made me feel uncomfortable", and then the boss is gone. Don't like something a celebrity said? Accuse them of sexual assault and suddenly they are cancelled, kicked off of whatever tv shows or movies they were doing, without any proof or chance to defend themselves.

The Me Too movement has made things worse for people who faced actual sexual assault and harassment, as there are so many people crying wolf that it becomes harder and harder for people to believe those who are legit. 

Really? False in the sense that it was a lie, or false in the sense that they could not find proof?

If it was lies, man this is really really sad for the real victims of abuse, that probably when go to court will have their story discredited based on past experiences.



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shikamaru317 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Doesnt matter, if you have no proof, no evidence, no witnesses, you should be prepared to be sued back because we have a lot of cases where people have made accusations only to destroy the person life. Also a sexual offense once becomes public already destroyed your life even if it is 100% a lie. Its terrible that people use it as a way to silence others, but it should be reason to destroy someone without proof. So in my opinion, if you are innocent, sue back agressively. 

Yeah, I seem to recall reading a study that said that something like 70% of all sexual abuse and harassment allegations that have been properly investigated since the Me Too era began turned out to be false. Somebody doesn't like their boss, they can simply say "he made unwarranted sexual advances and made me feel uncomfortable", and then the boss is gone. Don't like something a celebrity said? Accuse them of sexual assault and suddenly they are cancelled, kicked off of whatever tv shows or movies they were doing, without any proof or chance to defend themselves.

The Me Too movement has made things worse for people who faced actual sexual assault and harassment, as there are so many people crying wolf that it becomes harder and harder for people to believe those who are legit. 

Uhm. False as in provably false, or false as in not enough to convict in a court of law.


Those are 2 very different things.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
shikamaru317 said:

Yeah, I seem to recall reading a study that said that something like 70% of all sexual abuse and harassment allegations that have been properly investigated since the Me Too era began turned out to be false. Somebody doesn't like their boss, they can simply say "he made unwarranted sexual advances and made me feel uncomfortable", and then the boss is gone. Don't like something a celebrity said? Accuse them of sexual assault and suddenly they are cancelled, kicked off of whatever tv shows or movies they were doing, without any proof or chance to defend themselves.

The Me Too movement has made things worse for people who faced actual sexual assault and harassment, as there are so many people crying wolf that it becomes harder and harder for people to believe those who are legit. 

Uhm. False as in provably false, or false as in not enough to convict in a court of law.


Those are 2 very different things.

I'm not really sure, I'm having trouble finding the study now, saw it on Twitter several weeks ago. I seem to recall that it was based on recently released FBI statistics, and that the percentage that they found were false were very high. But now I can't find the article about it.



shikamaru317 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Uhm. False as in provably false, or false as in not enough to convict in a court of law.


Those are 2 very different things.

I'm not really sure, I'm having trouble finding the study now, saw it on Twitter several weeks ago. I seem to recall that it was based on recently released FBI statistics, and that the percentage that they found were false were very high. But now I can't find the article about it.

Well let me know if you find it. 

I will be highhhllly surprised if false meant "we proved it was false" as opposed to "we can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law".



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I definitely do think that Joey is guilty in this case, after reading some of the reports, like the one from the guy who claims Joey bet him $20 to get an erection and measure it in the bathroom in front of him when he was 17. Dude sounds like a real creep. Funny that EVO banned DOA 6 last year, claiming it was against their core values because it sexualized the female fighters, and then it turns out that EVO was being ran by a pedophile. 

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Can you guys please stop talking about the statistics of sexual allegations? Talk about this case, or cases related to the FGC.
I don't want to see anyone here telling victims how they should or should not handle these things. @EnricoPallazzo 

As for this one, I go over it more in detail below, but it is painfully obvious by the reactions of everyone that knows Joey that they either knew about his behavior for a long time, and/or they believe it firmly enough to the point where prominent players and announcers boycotted EVO.
The rest of the EVO owners kicking him out and apparently also buying him out of the company should be another sign. But for more details:

KLAMarine said:
Allegations.

Is that how you'd respond if your daughter told you she was sexually assaulted? Or "Did you record it?"
That's how you responded to someone in a thread some months back.

This is about a public figure, so you should try to do the bare minimum of looking into the massive amount of information circulating about  this before making ignorant comments.
A lot of his friends are corroborating these stories. James Chen for example confirms he knew of the fountain incidents. Mike Wattson told us how Joey told a boy to do naked jumping jacks for E3 tickets. The boy that was tricked into showing him his erection mentioned several well known FGC members like Viscant by name, and said that they laughed at him when he told them this right after it happened, because they all knew that Joey was gay, and he didn't.
Filipinoman, another friend of Joey's, was also at the receiving end of similar behavior from him:

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