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JRPGfan said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Why was it stable from *1945 to *1975?

Good question :)

Part of that has to be the sun activeity dropping (1955-1970s).
The rest? no idea.

Something tells me "sunspots" isnt the full picture, of the effects the sun has on the earth and its temp.

Still theres like 20 year delay, between the blue line and the red one.
Ei. the greenhouse gasses we release today end up effecting us like 15-20 years down the line.


This also means, when we think of problems, we need to think 20 years into the future.
How bad will our climate get, from what we've already released upto today?

Thats the problem with climate change it takes time, so it just slowly creeps up on you.
Alot of people are just willing to say "screw it, not my problem, I'll be dead by then anyways".
It just keeps getting incrementally worse.

However at some point, it ll be so bad, that it'll effect us, and we're reaching that point.

Got it, makes sense. many thanks.



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JRPGfan said:
Farsala said:

While the Human effect is clear, cycles happen regardless of human interference.  The Earth is overdue for many natural disasters that quite frankly, can greatly effect global temperatures.

Yes lets all pray for a something like a super volcano errupting, say Yellow Stone?
It ll throw ash up into the atmosphere and cover unsually large amounts of it, cooling down the planet.

The downside is something like 40-60% of americans will die, and world will face mass starvation for a few years after.

Encase that doesnt happend.... maybe we should try stopping the global warming?

A super volcano would be too devastating, and they are quite rare. But many strong volcanoes like Krakatoa are supposably past due their eruption time according to the science.

Of course I would love to stop the human side of the things, but people keep voting in idiots that support mega corporations that couldn't care less about the climate. I prefer to be optimistic and hope that the Earth cools itself :).

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4 °C sounds like more than what I think I usually hear, so I'm a bit skeptic about that, but the problem exists regardless - it's just about the speed of change.



Kinda.... exagerated, don't you think?

The world has been on this doomsday path for decades, if you go by what scientists say. We need to chenge our practices and better protect the enviroment, no doubt, but I don't trust one bit these scientists that say that the world will literally implode if we don't stop using electricity right now.

They ALWAYS underestimate the growth and benefits that new technology brings to the table.



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Marth said:

In case you are wondering 2020 is already on the path to be another temerature record around the world

You can look at the hottest ever recorded temperatures for each country and realize that most of them have been set in the the past 5-10 years.

The direction in which we are heading is very clear and it is only getting faster.

If you think the economy is going bad now just wait until this development progresses further.

It's not getting any warmer in Minnesota so far.  Every Summer our meteorologist say we average something like 18 summer days above 90 degrees, and every Summer the past 10 years we have had only a few 90 degree days.  We had one hot winter maybe 7 years ago with above average temperatures, we got into the 70's in March and everyone was saying global warming was here, and the following winter we had something like 40 days straight of below 0 temperature form January-February which had never happened in my life.



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Honestly at this point wouldn't it be easier to try and correct the problem, rather than prevent the problem from occurring? I mean, convincing the whole world to just stop proudcing certain gases seems a near impossibility. Surely coming up with a way to remove those excess gasses from the atmosphere would be easier, no?



rapsuperstar31 said:
Marth said:

In case you are wondering 2020 is already on the path to be another temerature record around the world

You can look at the hottest ever recorded temperatures for each country and realize that most of them have been set in the the past 5-10 years.

The direction in which we are heading is very clear and it is only getting faster.

If you think the economy is going bad now just wait until this development progresses further.

It's not getting any warmer in Minnesota so far.  Every Summer our meteorologist say we average something like 18 summer days above 90 degrees, and every Summer the past 10 years we have had only a few 90 degree days.  We had one hot winter maybe 7 years ago with above average temperatures, we got into the 70's in March and everyone was saying global warming was here, and the following winter we had something like 40 days straight of below 0 temperature form January-February which had never happened in my life.

You're seriously taking anecdotal data from one city? Well thing is what's the overall trend, not isolated incidents. Some areas will actually get crazy cold for no reason but overall things will be hotter. Hell erratic temperature changes of both sides is an issue that's part of the problem. Shorter colder winters will happen in some unexpected places in the world due to how weird everything is. And looking at trends, the world should be colder right now, not hotter. But that's what humans are doing and there doesn't seem to be a will to actually invest in green energy and solve the problem.

I believe the world currently has the technology it needs to save humanity from climate catastrophe but there isn't a will. You can invest in getting solar and wind power for electricity and stuff like graphene batteries and electric cars and stop mining more and more oil but the wealthy people who control the game and make the profits are only interested in short term profits instead of sustainability. That's why they create propaganda that makes it think like science is just an opinion and the perception that scientists have been warning collapse in a few short years when the actual thing is they used to say by 2050 or something and now they say by 2030 or 2040 and that is not when catastrophe will occur but that's the point of no return in that if nothing is done and current trends continue, we can't stop the damage altogether anymore. We can only mitigate the harmful effects of everything. The catastrophe itself has a much longer time span of occurring but stopping the catastrophe has a short timespan.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Honestly at this point wouldn't it be easier to try and correct the problem, rather than prevent the problem from occurring? I mean, convincing the whole world to just stop proudcing certain gases seems a near impossibility. Surely coming up with a way to remove those excess gasses from the atmosphere would be easier, no?

Not at all actually. Trees are much better than humans at doing it and there seems to be no will to plant a whole hell of a lot of trees. In fact I think we cut down more trees than plant so we are sabotaging that effort as well. For short term profits of a few oligarchs, the world is being screwed over.



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VAMatt said:

I'm 40 years old. I recall pretty well the last 35 years of my life, and there has been a never-ending stream of impending climate emergency proclamations for those 35 years. It's always just a few years off. But those few years keep coming and going, any nothing serious ever happens.  Older people tell me that the same kind of thing was happening previous to the beginning of my memories in the early 80s. I know there was a big scare about global cooling before I was born. So, I put absolutely zero stock in the proclamations of so-called environmental experts.

That doesn't mean that I think environmental issues are unimportant. On the contrary, I think such issues are far too important to entrust to people or organizations that have been wrong about them over and over and over again.

Yup, it's a constant in our lives that we see climate models that predict our imminent doom. In the 1980s it was about the growing ozone hole approximately above Australia that would make our lives miserable. But technologies got adjusted and improved, so in 2020 we got the news that the ozone hole has been mending itself. This demonstrates that our planet can heal itself if given the opportunity and time.

The current climate change is very much the same thing. Virtually all of the predictive models show us that it's going to get worse if humanity keeps doing the same thing, but that's just it: Humanity can change their ways. And there is change, albeit slow change. It's not possible to change in a big way from one year to the next because otherwise our wealth and peace can't be secured, but change is happening nonetheless. It's going to keep getting warmer for a while, but eventually temperatures should stabilize and afterwards even go down a bit again. That's a process of several decades though.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Honestly at this point wouldn't it be easier to try and correct the problem, rather than prevent the problem from occurring? I mean, convincing the whole world to just stop proudcing certain gases seems a near impossibility. Surely coming up with a way to remove those excess gasses from the atmosphere would be easier, no?

Tree's are a good way to bind CO2+others, and get it down into the ground, instead of floating around in the atmosphere.

Theres people that advocate, mass planting of trees as a way to try and save ourselves (atleast from the worst of it).
I believe such a methode is needed along with us, reduceing green house gasses production.


Ka-Pi96, the thing is I dont believe theres any easy cheap scientific solution, to removeing greenhouse gasses.
(it would be insanely expensive, likely to the point where it would not be done, unless it was this or death to the world)

The cheapest, easiest proven methode, is planting trees.