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Hiku said:

Worst case scenario = We make the world a bit better for nothing. Or cause an irreversible catastrophe.

Considering how some are handling Covid-19, it's not surprising that they are also willing to risk millions of lives for a different reason. 

This feels good rhetoric isn’t actual policy. Also, Covid-19 hass been handled terribly with this shutdown which has caused massive unemployment and destruction of parts of our economy. My sister lost her job through her university which ruined her entire future. She lost her free education for her masters, free summer camp for my nephew, free daycare for my nephew, on top of her healthcare. Many of these jobs will never come back and competition will increase for the jobs that remain. I’m not denying Covid-19 is real, but I will also point out the facts. They count deaths include deaths that are not related to covid as covid related, they put people on ventilators that should not be which kills them, in Sweden they refused to give oxygen to older people and nursing homes who asked for basic oxygen (not ventilators) despite no shortage, and people can’t visit their families in hospital or have a proper funeral. Hospital mistakes were the third leading cause of death before covid-19 even existed now add in hysteria, unknowns, and no family there to keep an eye on the nurses or doctors. The vast majority of Americans have worn masks as directed and followed all the rules all while WHO was self contradicting itself as to say which measures actually work or matter. The policies involved with climate change doomsday are often extremely aggressive and could create extreme problems. Before this pandemic the global economy was producing more than enough food to feed to entire human population with data only pointing to increased production ratios over an already healthy number. 



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So what are you proposing we do?



Rab said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

same situation here. Its always fun to go back to their predictions from 20-30 years ago.

Anyway we should be listening to IPCC only, and not an isolated group of scientists from just one country.

This whole debate is just messed up with hidden interests, the media not doing their job as usual and helping mislead people and the serch for solutions going in the wrong direction. As usual.

"Isolated group of scientists from just one country" :)

It's funny and sad how much denial of science there is :/

Your attitude is one of the problems in facing this challenge. Good luck convincing 80% of the world. Nothing more than what I expected.

Well thats what it says here:

Scientists from the Australian National University (ANU)



And again and again and again...We will all die. This will be fun to listen (or not) when we will be 70 years old and see that nothing changed.



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In case you are wondering 2020 is already on the path to be another temerature record around the world

You can look at the hottest ever recorded temperatures for each country and realize that most of them have been set in the the past 5-10 years.

The direction in which we are heading is very clear and it is only getting faster.

If you think the economy is going bad now just wait until this development progresses further.



EnricoPallazzo said:

Well, widespread rioting is actually happening. Though that doesn’t have anything to do with the climate change.



Marth said:

In case you are wondering 2020 is already on the path to be another temerature record around the world

You can look at the hottest ever recorded temperatures for each country and realize that most of them have been set in the the past 5-10 years.

The direction in which we are heading is very clear and it is only getting faster.

If you think the economy is going bad now just wait until this development progresses further.

To be fair; “ever recorded” only means the last 100 years give or take. The history of the world is a lot longer than that, and there have been plenty of colder but also even warmer periods throughout it for all kinds of reasons. I’m not saying we have no influence, but excuse me if I’m not prepping my basement just yet.



Marth said:

In case you are wondering 2020 is already on the path to be another temerature record around the world

You can look at the hottest ever recorded temperatures for each country and realize that most of them have been set in the the past 5-10 years.

The direction in which we are heading is very clear and it is only getting faster.

If you think the economy is going bad now just wait until this development progresses further.

I would like to know how much the solar cycle does effect us as that should be more active atm(solar maximum),it effects activity on the sun like more and bigger sunspots that are being tied to the ever changing magnetic field of our sun and has cycles of about 11 years till the magnitic field flips North and South poles.