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How do you rate TLOU2 story

1 8 15.69%
 
2 1 1.96%
 
3 5 9.80%
 
4 3 5.88%
 
5 5 9.80%
 
6 6 11.76%
 
7 3 5.88%
 
8 4 7.84%
 
9 6 11.76%
 
10 10 19.61%
 
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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Neil druckman Said If There is a part 3 Ellie should BE in it in the kindafunny spoilarcast.

I need a happy ending for Ellie🥺

Part 3 need to BE Ellie finding a porpurse to live like Abby found on part 2 with Lev and the fireflies.



 

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Full spoilers ahead, so be warned. I think anyone in this thread probably doesn't care, but a warning never hurt anyone!

Finally finished the game. I definitely did like it, but I'm torn on the ending. While I think Ellie did the right thing in letting Abby live (as I was desperately hoping that she would to the point that I failled the QTE the first time), I can't help feeling that the ending would have been more poignant had she gone through with it. By the end of the game she's lost everything, even her abilty to play the guitaur, which was her sole remaining connection to Joel, has been severed. It seems unbelievably grim, considering that she did ultimately "end the circle of violence."

I guess the idea is that Ellie has finally let go of her feelings of remorse/rage both at Abby and, to an extent, at Joel for his lie. She can finally move on and find some kind of meaning to her life. It's a nice ending when I think of it that way, but the game was just such a...slog through the absolute worst of humanity that I almost feel like I would have appreciated it more had she actually murdered Abby, and the ending had been identical beyond that. Ellie loses everything. Killing Abby brings her no peace. Abby loses everything, dying helpless and alone, with full knowledge that Lev is doomed. Lev, this poor kid who just wanted to live his life, would doubtlessly have died there (or magically survived and then himself pursued vengeance on Ellie, works either way.) All this as a direct result of Abby and Ellie's relentless pursuits of vengeance. I think, while bleak as all hell, that might've worked better and brought all the themes of the game together around the basic "revenge bad" premise.

As it is, I appreciate what the game did for Ellie's character, but I don't really get how Abby's entire 10hr storyline fits in as a sort of "other side of the coin" to Ellie's. I mean, I don't feel like the game really delved into how killing Joel impacted Abby. Was she relieved? Empty inside? Disgusted? The game doesn't dwell on it. She just kind of...moves on to the next thing. I think they wasted the chance to really explore that whole issue from Abby's perspective, as a person who's sort of on the other side of the revenge plot that's driving Ellie so powerfully. Instead they spend too much time dwelling on her relationship with Owen, which feels totally tangential to what I thought was the main point of the game.

I would've written her entire story differently, but,with things exactly as they were, had she died at the end, bringing all her noble actions up to this point to waste, all as a result of her revenge... I wouldn't have liked it, but I think it would've fit a little better.



Trunkin said:


As it is, I appreciate what the game did for Ellie's character, but I don't really get how Abby's entire 10hr storyline fits in as a sort of "other side of the coin" to Ellie's. I mean, I don't feel like the game really delved into how killing Joel impacted Abby. Was she relieved? Empty inside? Disgusted? The game doesn't dwell on it. She just kind of...moves on to the next thing. I think they wasted the chance to really explore that whole issue from Abby's perspective, as a person who's sort of on the other side of the revenge plot that's driving Ellie so powerfully. Instead they spend too much time dwelling on her relationship with Owen, which feels totally tangential to what I thought was the main point of the game.

I would've written her entire story differently, but,with things exactly as they were, had she died at the end, bringing all her noble actions up to this point to waste, all as a result of her revenge... I wouldn't have liked it, but I think it would've fit a little better.

 I don't think Abby was supposed to be "the other side of the coin" IMO. She was supposed to be exactly like Ellie. Someone willing to sacrifice everything to get revenge. At the end I think if you asked them both they would say they sacrificed to much. Abby lost everyone just to get revenge for her dad's death and I'm pretty sure she was raped before she was thrown on that pole if were being honest.

Ellie got off easier here IMO but Joel was tortured in front of her eyes while Abby's father died quickly and without her having to witness it.



Trunkin said:
Full spoilers ahead, so be warned. I think anyone in this thread probably doesn't care, but a warning never hurt anyone!

Finally finished the game. I definitely did like it, but I'm torn on the ending. While I think Ellie did the right thing in letting Abby live (as I was desperately hoping that she would to the point that I failled the QTE the first time), I can't help feeling that the ending would have been more poignant had she gone through with it. By the end of the game she's lost everything, even her abilty to play the guitaur, which was her sole remaining connection to Joel, has been severed. It seems unbelievably grim, considering that she did ultimately "end the circle of violence."

I guess the idea is that Ellie has finally let go of her feelings of remorse/rage both at Abby and, to an extent, at Joel for his lie. She can finally move on and find some kind of meaning to her life. It's a nice ending when I think of it that way, but the game was just such a...slog through the absolute worst of humanity that I almost feel like I would have appreciated it more had she actually murdered Abby, and the ending had been identical beyond that. Ellie loses everything. Killing Abby brings her no peace. Abby loses everything, dying helpless and alone, with full knowledge that Lev is doomed. Lev, this poor kid who just wanted to live his life, would doubtlessly have died there (or magically survived and then himself pursued vengeance on Ellie, works either way.) All this as a direct result of Abby and Ellie's relentless pursuits of vengeance. I think, while bleak as all hell, that might've worked better and brought all the themes of the game together around the basic "revenge bad" premise.

As it is, I appreciate what the game did for Ellie's character, but I don't really get how Abby's entire 10hr storyline fits in as a sort of "other side of the coin" to Ellie's. I mean, I don't feel like the game really delved into how killing Joel impacted Abby. Was she relieved? Empty inside? Disgusted? The game doesn't dwell on it. She just kind of...moves on to the next thing. I think they wasted the chance to really explore that whole issue from Abby's perspective, as a person who's sort of on the other side of the revenge plot that's driving Ellie so powerfully. Instead they spend too much time dwelling on her relationship with Owen, which feels totally tangential to what I thought was the main point of the game.

I would've written her entire story differently, but,with things exactly as they were, had she died at the end, bringing all her noble actions up to this point to waste, all as a result of her revenge... I wouldn't have liked it, but I think it would've fit a little better.

There is a lot of parallels in this, at the start of the last of US Joel is like Abby at the begining of her playable part, Abby at the end is Joel at the end of the first, Ellie after Joel is killed is Abby at the end of the last of US, lev is similar to Ellie in the last of US 1.

Ellie not killing Abby to me means She is the better One of them all , She didnt Lost everything , She saved herself, we dont even know If She GOES back to Jackson , the last scene of the game, She is willing to forgive Joel, maibe Dina can forgive her who knows.

Druckman left ending ambiguous , that is why i love the ending. I hope There is a third game, She finds redemption  and a purporse in life , just like abby.



 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Trunkin said:
Full spoilers ahead, so be warned. I think anyone in this thread probably doesn't care, but a warning never hurt anyone!

Finally finished the game. I definitely did like it, but I'm torn on the ending. While I think Ellie did the right thing in letting Abby live (as I was desperately hoping that she would to the point that I failled the QTE the first time), I can't help feeling that the ending would have been more poignant had she gone through with it. By the end of the game she's lost everything, even her abilty to play the guitaur, which was her sole remaining connection to Joel, has been severed. It seems unbelievably grim, considering that she did ultimately "end the circle of violence."

I guess the idea is that Ellie has finally let go of her feelings of remorse/rage both at Abby and, to an extent, at Joel for his lie. She can finally move on and find some kind of meaning to her life. It's a nice ending when I think of it that way, but the game was just such a...slog through the absolute worst of humanity that I almost feel like I would have appreciated it more had she actually murdered Abby, and the ending had been identical beyond that. Ellie loses everything. Killing Abby brings her no peace. Abby loses everything, dying helpless and alone, with full knowledge that Lev is doomed. Lev, this poor kid who just wanted to live his life, would doubtlessly have died there (or magically survived and then himself pursued vengeance on Ellie, works either way.) All this as a direct result of Abby and Ellie's relentless pursuits of vengeance. I think, while bleak as all hell, that might've worked better and brought all the themes of the game together around the basic "revenge bad" premise.

As it is, I appreciate what the game did for Ellie's character, but I don't really get how Abby's entire 10hr storyline fits in as a sort of "other side of the coin" to Ellie's. I mean, I don't feel like the game really delved into how killing Joel impacted Abby. Was she relieved? Empty inside? Disgusted? The game doesn't dwell on it. She just kind of...moves on to the next thing. I think they wasted the chance to really explore that whole issue from Abby's perspective, as a person who's sort of on the other side of the revenge plot that's driving Ellie so powerfully. Instead they spend too much time dwelling on her relationship with Owen, which feels totally tangential to what I thought was the main point of the game.

I would've written her entire story differently, but,with things exactly as they were, had she died at the end, bringing all her noble actions up to this point to waste, all as a result of her revenge... I wouldn't have liked it, but I think it would've fit a little better.

There is a lot of parallels in this, at the start of the last of US Joel is like Abby at the begining of her playable part, Abby at the end is Joel at the end of the first, Ellie after Joel is killed is Abby at the end of the last of US, lev is similar to Ellie in the last of US 1.

Ellie not killing Abby to me means She is the better One of them all , She didnt Lost everything , She saved herself, we dont even know If She GOES back to Jackson , the last scene of the game, She is willing to forgive Joel, maibe Dina can forgive her who knows.

Druckman left ending ambiguous , that is why i love the ending. I hope There is a third game, She finds redemption  and a purporse in life , just like abby.

The way I understand the ending is that she was left empty and understanding that revenge costed her everything. So she can go back to Jackson and resume her life with Dina at a blank slate.



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Playing the first game again and it's tarnished knowing Ellie grows up to be such a cunt.



 

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John2290 said:
Playing the first game again and it's tarnished knowing Ellie grows up to be such a cunt.

After playing TLOU2 we can conclude Joel is our most humane and greater person in that world.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
John2290 said:
Playing the first game again and it's tarnished knowing Ellie grows up to be such a cunt.

After playing TLOU2 we can conclude Joel is our most humane and greater person in that world.

Well he made sure he wouldnt have much competition...



KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

After playing TLOU2 we can conclude Joel is our most humane and greater person in that world.

Well he made sure he wouldnt have much competition...

That is a way of looking at it kkkkk



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

method114 said:
Trunkin said:


As it is, I appreciate what the game did for Ellie's character, but I don't really get how Abby's entire 10hr storyline fits in as a sort of "other side of the coin" to Ellie's. I mean, I don't feel like the game really delved into how killing Joel impacted Abby. Was she relieved? Empty inside? Disgusted? The game doesn't dwell on it. She just kind of...moves on to the next thing. I think they wasted the chance to really explore that whole issue from Abby's perspective, as a person who's sort of on the other side of the revenge plot that's driving Ellie so powerfully. Instead they spend too much time dwelling on her relationship with Owen, which feels totally tangential to what I thought was the main point of the game.

I would've written her entire story differently, but,with things exactly as they were, had she died at the end, bringing all her noble actions up to this point to waste, all as a result of her revenge... I wouldn't have liked it, but I think it would've fit a little better.

 I don't think Abby was supposed to be "the other side of the coin" IMO. She was supposed to be exactly like Ellie. Someone willing to sacrifice everything to get revenge. At the end I think if you asked them both they would say they sacrificed to much. Abby lost everyone just to get revenge for her dad's death and I'm pretty sure she was raped before she was thrown on that pole if were being honest.

Ellie got off easier here IMO but Joel was tortured in front of her eyes while Abby's father died quickly and without her having to witness it.

I dunno. The worst thing that happens to Abby is being captured by those bastards at the end(can't remember the name of their group). But that didn't really fee like it had anything to do with her revenge. I think, even if Ellie were totally out of the picture, Abby still would've ended up helping Lev. With the all out war going on, she still would've en ostracized and had no choice but to go looking for the fireflies anyway. Really, if anything, killing Joel saved her life in the end. If she hadn't taken her vengeance, Ellie never would have been there to cut her down from that poll. It just feels like everything that happened to her was just a result of the messed up world they live in. Revenge didn't require much sacrifice on her part outside of maybe damaging her relationship with Owen and his girl.

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Trunkin said:
Full spoilers ahead, so be warned. I think anyone in this thread probably doesn't care, but a warning never hurt anyone!

Finally finished the game. I definitely did like it, but I'm torn on the ending. While I think Ellie did the right thing in letting Abby live (as I was desperately hoping that she would to the point that I failled the QTE the first time), I can't help feeling that the ending would have been more poignant had she gone through with it. By the end of the game she's lost everything, even her abilty to play the guitaur, which was her sole remaining connection to Joel, has been severed. It seems unbelievably grim, considering that she did ultimately "end the circle of violence."

I guess the idea is that Ellie has finally let go of her feelings of remorse/rage both at Abby and, to an extent, at Joel for his lie. She can finally move on and find some kind of meaning to her life. It's a nice ending when I think of it that way, but the game was just such a...slog through the absolute worst of humanity that I almost feel like I would have appreciated it more had she actually murdered Abby, and the ending had been identical beyond that. Ellie loses everything. Killing Abby brings her no peace. Abby loses everything, dying helpless and alone, with full knowledge that Lev is doomed. Lev, this poor kid who just wanted to live his life, would doubtlessly have died there (or magically survived and then himself pursued vengeance on Ellie, works either way.) All this as a direct result of Abby and Ellie's relentless pursuits of vengeance. I think, while bleak as all hell, that might've worked better and brought all the themes of the game together around the basic "revenge bad" premise.

As it is, I appreciate what the game did for Ellie's character, but I don't really get how Abby's entire 10hr storyline fits in as a sort of "other side of the coin" to Ellie's. I mean, I don't feel like the game really delved into how killing Joel impacted Abby. Was she relieved? Empty inside? Disgusted? The game doesn't dwell on it. She just kind of...moves on to the next thing. I think they wasted the chance to really explore that whole issue from Abby's perspective, as a person who's sort of on the other side of the revenge plot that's driving Ellie so powerfully. Instead they spend too much time dwelling on her relationship with Owen, which feels totally tangential to what I thought was the main point of the game.

I would've written her entire story differently, but,with things exactly as they were, had she died at the end, bringing all her noble actions up to this point to waste, all as a result of her revenge... I wouldn't have liked it, but I think it would've fit a little better.

There is a lot of parallels in this, at the start of the last of US Joel is like Abby at the begining of her playable part, Abby at the end is Joel at the end of the first, Ellie after Joel is killed is Abby at the end of the last of US, lev is similar to Ellie in the last of US 1.

Ellie not killing Abby to me means She is the better One of them all , She didnt Lost everything , She saved herself, we dont even know If She GOES back to Jackson , the last scene of the game, She is willing to forgive Joel, maibe Dina can forgive her who knows.

Druckman left ending ambiguous , that is why i love the ending. I hope There is a third game, She finds redemption  and a purporse in life , just like abby.

I can see the parallels between Abby and Joel, but I guess my question is....why? We were dragged away from our queest as Ellie to go on this 10 hour journey with Abby, retreading some of the story beats that were handled in the first game, but what was the point of it in the grand scheme of things? Neil Druckmann and co. obviously thought it was necessary to get their point across, but so much of how it was handled makes me wonder what that point was at all.

And yes, I think that Ellie would have been truly lost if she'd gone through with killing Abby. I agree with you on the ambiguity of the ending. It leaves us with some hope for Ellie. That said, I really don't want there to be a sequel. I felt the same way about the first game. The end was sort of ambiguous, but i was happy with it. I wanted Ellie and Joel's futures to be left to our imaginations. As it is, Naughty Dog managed to make a quality sequel that builds on the events of the first game, but, in the context of the first game, I still don't feel like this sequel had to be made, and i really don't think there needs to be a third one -- especially if another sequel means that they'll have to find a way to throw Ellie back into the violence that we saw in this game.

Maybe a short DLC epilogue would be okay.