Have no idea what you are talking about.

That's the very definition of transphobia, so congratulations.

Quick remainder that what happens in anybody's pants is their and their sexual partners business only.

"B-but outrage culture" We all have a right to be outraged when getting insulted by people who have clearly no idea what we're going trough.

I remember a few years ago when people pointed out a large majority of the mod pool was part of the LGBT community and I tought this hadn't changed since, I got to admit I'm pretty surprised no one is saying anything about the unmoderated blatant transphobia in this thread.

I'm doing my best seeing the transphobia you see but having a hard time with it.

Just because that can be seen as insensitive does not mean that it is inherently transphobic.

Sorry, I have problems seeing people have limits to dates as something hateful. Too old, too young, too fat, too thin, too nervous, too shy, too sweaty, too muscular, too big, too small → does all these criteria for who people are willing to date as discriminatory? Sure, it sucks if you fall out of the date-pool for someone you like. But guess what: that happens to pretty much all people, except maybe a few perfect beings. So if this comment about dating qualifies as transphobic, when you need to explain why and how, instead just declaring it as 'the  very definition of transphobia'.

And about this: "We all have a right to be outraged when getting insulted by people who have clearly no idea what we're going trough." People have for the most time no idea what other people are experiencing, even if they share superficial features like sex, skin color, sexual attraction and so on. If you want other people to understand you, you have to explain yourself. People mostly aren't even aware what others see as insulting. That way even my own sister can induce my anger, but I can't really be mad at her, as long as I don't explain why I am miffed by her comment.

And then you say this thread is full of transphobia. Actually I see people more or less asking what is the case and exploring the feeling of others. before you throw around accusation, you should instead explain what we all do wrong. Because I have the feeling most here are willing to learn.

You see two men. One is white, one isn't. If you treat them differently based on this one trait, that's racism (obviously, ill intent, systemic opression are important variable I didn't take into account here, but) ->

"At least I hope I am correct in assuming that 'transgender woman' means that a penis is still attached to such a person." <- 1)Focus on the cis-perceived difference between cis and transwomen. Again, genitals are none of your fucking business. Also, no, the difference between a cis woman and a transwoman is that one wasn't attributed to correct gender at birth. This is true for 100% of trans people, and you can't say that about a lot of things.

"Simply ask yourself if you would draw a line between dating women and transgender women; if you are honest about it, the chance is higher than 99% that you will draw a line." <- That's the very definition of discrimination and an ill focus. Don't define us trough your sexuality. Well, this is actually dumb of me. Don't define people based on your sexuality, and that's fucking it. Trans hyper fetishization is extremely damaging, and leads to a shitload of violence (verbal, sexual, physical).

"I assume this is an issue of society trying to make absolutely everything normal and acceptable." <- What does that mean ? explain it to me like I'm 5, what exactly isn't normal and acceptable ? I would love to know.

That's the whole point. The focus on genitalia (once again, none of your fuckin business except for the trans people you are intimate with) is toxic.

Sexual attraction isn't even based on genitalia. OBVIOUSLY, if you have a problem with the other person genitalia don't fuck them. But that shouldn't be a discussion in a transphobia related thread. Cis people here care moren about trans genitalia than most trans people.

Same shit with the whole pre-op/post-op dichotomy. It's a very personal thing, and most trans people won't tell their coworkers which surgery they had but somehow that's relevant to random internet people ? 

Which surgery btw ? That's a usually a good question for cis peeps. 

And there are simply to many cases of trans people that won't disclose they are trans before hand with fear of discrimination, but then are also interfering with your right to know what you are getting into. Have heard cases of trans holding information until wedding day and then worried about if should or not tell because perhaps the other person could potentially want offsprings that are direct descendants.

Seems like it would be transphobic to want to know if your partner can generate your offspring.

What the hell,that you can compare it with racism proofs that your reasoning is detached from reality.

This is more about consent,do people have the right to consent to the sex they want or not? Some like vaginas and others like penises and there is absolutely no ill intention with that.

Ow yeah if you think what genitals you have are none of your potential partners bussiness then i call you a damn egocentric person,have some goddamn respect for someone elses body if you demand it for yourself.

Nope, you get it wrong.

"You see two men. One is white, one isn't. If you treat them differently based on this one trait, that's racism (obviously, ill intent, systemic opression are important variable I didn't take into account here, but)"

If you count dating or not dating as treating differently you go into the territory of involving yourself into the sex-life of others. As a fact: most people date other people of similar skin color. That is usually not seen as discriminatory, but as something that people all decide for themself what they are comfortable with. What actually *is* discriminatory, is saying other people they can't date or they have to date. Because it is their own business. But you are here telling us who we should date. No, everyone decides that for themself. And if they decide they don't want to date some people based on some superficial attribute like hair color - it is none of your fucking business.

Then you cite this: "At least I hope I am correct in assuming that 'transgender woman' means that a penis is still attached to such a person." There was the question right there embedded in the sentence. He hopes he is correct in assuming. So say: yes you're correct or no you aren't correct. But people making assumptions about the world is something normal. Nobody knows everything. So we all fill the gaps with assumptions. And we all have wrong assumptions. Correct them, but don't judge people for they lack of knowledge.

Then: "if you are honest about it, the chance is higher than 99% that you will draw a line." <- That's the very definition of discrimination and an ill focus". Actually it is a statement of another assumption. I don't know if 99% would draw this line, but it actually might be correct. Or not. Again, something that should be corrected if you have better facts, but I don't see why it should be judged.

I think everyone should date who they want (if consensual) and avoid being forced into a date they don't want. I avoid judging anyone by their choice in sexual partners (would be thin ice if I did). I also don't take away anyone to express their sex, gender or sexual orientation as they want, as long as it isn't harassing other (like exhibitionism). But the things you cite follow these rules, so I fail to see the discrimination. You need to explain what bothers you.

1) Except no trans peeps should someone who thinks that (that'll end badly), and the POV isn't into trans'. If you're not intimate with the person, you don't have to have any knowledge of their genitalia.

2) This has nothing to do with how you see your partner and everything to do with how people here are talking about trans people when they are 1, cis, and 2 apparently not attracted to them, so not concerned at all by trans people in the dating pool.

bolded: i have no reason to talk about my sexuality here, has it has nothing to do with the subject.