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How do you rate TLOU2 in a whole?

1 2 5.41%
 
2 0 0.00%
 
3 2 5.41%
 
4 1 2.70%
 
5 5 13.51%
 
6 10 27.03%
 
7 1 2.70%
 
8 2 5.41%
 
9 5 13.51%
 
10 9 24.32%
 
Total:37

I hope this game gets fast delivery on PS5 with a directors cut, I can really see thia working if the story was reordered. It wouldn't help some of the bad aspects but it would help a lot, there is a real problem in the way it's put together. It's the only way I can see this game rising over a 7 for me.



 

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EnricoPallazzo said:
DonFerrari said:

You play with Joel on the start of the game already, didn`t see any promise of even playing with him, much less playing a significant portion of the game. In fact there was fan outrage until the previous year because Joel wasn`t being show at any moment when they presented TLOU2, including in the E3 were we had the outburst of the lesbian dance and several scenes of gameplay with Ellie.

Sure I would prefer to play as Joel than Ellie and don`t even mind if Dina didn`t exist, but that was never the way the game was portrayed to be.

Well if you think it's alright for marketing for games to advertise games this way then, good for you I think. 

Just as a note, and an opinion./

Even from the very first trailer, there were strong rumors that the Joel in the house is just a figment of her imagination. That Joel is somehow dead, and that's why they never actually show his face.

For the opinion portion of my post, I don't even know why you'd want to play as a character whose story is over. It's quite clear in TLOUs ending that Joel's story is over, specifically because Ellie knows he's lying. 



John2290 said:
I hope this game gets fast delivery on PS5 with a directors cut, I can really see thia working if the story was reordered. It wouldn't help some of the bad aspects but it would help a lot, there is a real problem in the way it's put together. It's the only way I can see this game rising over a 7 for me.

I really don't see any of the problems you've mentioned in the story in any of your many posts about how it's confusing or stupid.  



John2290 said:
I hope this game gets fast delivery on PS5 with a directors cut, I can really see thia working if the story was reordered. It wouldn't help some of the bad aspects but it would help a lot, there is a real problem in the way it's put together. It's the only way I can see this game rising over a 7 for me.

Something like realigning and remaking some sections as a GOTY edition taking in count the userbase complains?



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0D0 said:

The naive background is gone: The first game is a sort of a surviving mission built on a tragedy. Part 1 had a simple and even naive introduction and the only thing that grew out of that was combat and the relationship between the characters. That was the best thing that set that game apart in my opinion. How can you make a great story, a great script out of a simple background and a very conventional mission? They did it. Part I feels like a superb theatre performance.

Part II is more like current cinema though. The introduction now has romance, drama and small talk. It also has a song. The characters talk about dating, boyfriends, girlfriends, jealousy and even a

situation. The drama seems to be also in the teen drama side. As far as I could see, they're gone with older adults and that bothers me.

Script and conversation: The first game started in a serious tone, short dialogues, adult conversation. They focused on the mission. It was simpler and efficient. Part II starts romantic and on the teenager/young adult side of that. Characters are more relaxed than on the first game (of course, they have a community now) and that opens the game to small talk and what seems to be unimportant drama. Again the brilliance of the simple tone of the first game is gone. If the first game starts like "Lord of the Rings", this one is "Game of Thrones". If the first one starts like the first season of "Walking Dead", this one is "The 100" or any other fiction series for younger audiences. The same applies to family friendliness. The first as Lord of the Rings could be played with your grandma with you. The second game on the other hand has characters shouting "What the f***" to children. The script is vulgar, but like all Hollywood films and TV currently is and that's a bummer for me.

The thing I found is that the relaxed characters and behavior was a dead giveaway that something really bad was about to happen. To me, the first game set the tone for the world, so when it opened to small town relationships and small talk drama, I knew it was about to crumble. I even have it on stream where I stop for a second, and say something like,....."oooooh small town drama! Oh this is a bad sign, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone in town dies" and then with the snowball fight, I was like, "oh this is some really dark foreshadowing". I feel that the more you  try and take the story at it's facevalue instead of comparing it to another story, you might come to notice things that are also just as cool, complex, and clever. 



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DonFerrari said:
John2290 said:
I hope this game gets fast delivery on PS5 with a directors cut, I can really see thia working if the story was reordered. It wouldn't help some of the bad aspects but it would help a lot, there is a real problem in the way it's put together. It's the only way I can see this game rising over a 7 for me.

Something like realigning and remaking some sections as a GOTY edition taking in count the userbase complains?

Yeah you know like if they took eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, or memento, or pulp fiction and separated the stories and told them in order so that it was easier to understand. Or like this fixed version of starry night.

https://imgur.com/4TqQw

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theprof00 said:
John2290 said:
I hope this game gets fast delivery on PS5 with a directors cut, I can really see thia working if the story was reordered. It wouldn't help some of the bad aspects but it would help a lot, there is a real problem in the way it's put together. It's the only way I can see this game rising over a 7 for me.

I really don't see any of the problems you've mentioned in the story in any of your many posts about how it's confusing or stupid.  

I didn't say it was confusing, I said it was a mess, campy and weakly written and it's it's extremely badly paced which also effects progression on the game side. It's a slog and fails to go to any great heights, which I believe to be the intention and whilentrying to get there it obliterates sone characters... character. What it tries to evoke, it fails at almost every turn apart from a few gut punchers here and there but the intent of evoking emotions both good and bad is lost in how they have ordered and written it .

I don't remember saying it was stupid but yeah, there are plot holes and character motivationthat makes no sense from the first game , new characters are weak and never given a chance besides for Abby. 

I get what they were trying to do but they failed. 



 

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John2290 said:
theprof00 said:

I really don't see any of the problems you've mentioned in the story in any of your many posts about how it's confusing or stupid.  

I didn't say it was confusing, I said it was a mess, campy and weakly written and it's it's extremely badly paced which also effects progression on the game side. It's a slog and fails to go to any great heights, which I believe to be the intention and whilentrying to get there it obliterates sone characters... character. What it tries to evoke, it fails at almost every turn apart from a few gut punchers here and there but the intent of evoking emotions both good and bad is lost in how they have ordered and written it .

I don't remember saying it was stupid but yeah, there are plot holes and character motivationthat makes no sense from the first game , new characters are weak and never given a chance besides for Abby. 

I get what they were trying to do but they failed. 

Well I'm about 3-4 hours in, and so far it doesn't seem like anything you mentioned. I just got to the 'open world' section. Still, you did say a bunch of words, I just don't know if they are accurate or not without having seen example for myself. 

Can you describe what you believe to be 'what they were trying to do'?



DonFerrari said:
John2290 said:
I hope this game gets fast delivery on PS5 with a directors cut, I can really see thia working if the story was reordered. It wouldn't help some of the bad aspects but it would help a lot, there is a real problem in the way it's put together. It's the only way I can see this game rising over a 7 for me.

Something like realigning and remaking some sections as a GOTY edition taking in count the userbase complains?

Exactly realigning sections, maybe take the second part of the story and weave it into the first, this would also effect the huge mistake in progression and get people invested in the characters a hell of a lot more. Maybe add some more back story and time with certain characters and develop them mote meaningfully and timely. Also, there are extended sections of the game thar could be cut entirely ans it would be better for it. 



 

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theprof00 said:
John2290 said:

I didn't say it was confusing, I said it was a mess, campy and weakly written and it's it's extremely badly paced which also effects progression on the game side. It's a slog and fails to go to any great heights, which I believe to be the intention and whilentrying to get there it obliterates sone characters... character. What it tries to evoke, it fails at almost every turn apart from a few gut punchers here and there but the intent of evoking emotions both good and bad is lost in how they have ordered and written it .

I don't remember saying it was stupid but yeah, there are plot holes and character motivationthat makes no sense from the first game , new characters are weak and never given a chance besides for Abby. 

I get what they were trying to do but they failed. 

Well I'm about 3-4 hours in, and so far it doesn't seem like anything you mentioned. I just got to the 'open world' section. Still, you did say a bunch of words, I just don't know if they are accurate or not without having seen example for myself. 

Can you describe what you believe to be 'what they were trying to do'?

I won't be able to without spoiling it, Catch up and tag me later when you're half way or so, you'll know what I mean. 



 

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