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Forums - Sales Discussion - Famitsu Sales: Week 22, 2020 (May 25 - May 31)

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MasonADC said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

It's a gradual transition.  You can look at the top 30 games that Marth just posted.  Switch has 7 third party games and PS4 has 6.  Switch already has a slight lead.  That gap is only going to grow as PS4 gets phased out.

And then the third parties will start making switch exclusives? Yeah I doubt it. Switch will continue to get multi plat of smaller titles but in no way will it ever dominate. Also It makes 0 financial sense for third parties to make switch exclusives 

I don't get it either.  Sony home consoles have been averaging 1 billion+ games sold for the last 25 years, 85+% 3rd party but NOW is the time they will be shying away to make Switch exclusives that have shown not to sell 3rd party software anywhere near that.



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MasonADC said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

It's a gradual transition.  You can look at the top 30 games that Marth just posted.  Switch has 7 third party games and PS4 has 6.  Switch already has a slight lead.  That gap is only going to grow as PS4 gets phased out.

And then the third parties will start making switch exclusives? Yeah I doubt it. Switch will continue to get multi plat of smaller titles but in no way will it ever dominate. Also It makes 0 financial sense for third parties to make switch exclusives 

PS4 install base will be lucky to get to 10m in Japan, and PS5 install base will likely be even less.  Switch install base will be 2-4 times that.  It really makes zero financial sense for a third party to release on PS5 unless it has a significant Western market.  Everything else will be on Switch, or at the very least multiplat.

Train wreck said:
MasonADC said:

And then the third parties will start making switch exclusives? Yeah I doubt it. Switch will continue to get multi plat of smaller titles but in no way will it ever dominate. Also It makes 0 financial sense for third parties to make switch exclusives 

I don't get it either.  Sony home consoles have been averaging 1 billion+ games sold for the last 25 years, 85+% 3rd party but NOW is the time they will be shying away to make Switch exclusives that have shown not to sell 3rd party software anywhere near that.

How many of those 1 billion games were sold in Japan?

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 05 June 2020

The_Liquid_Laser said:
MasonADC said:

And then the third parties will start making switch exclusives? Yeah I doubt it. Switch will continue to get multi plat of smaller titles but in no way will it ever dominate. Also It makes 0 financial sense for third parties to make switch exclusives 

PS4 install base will be lucky to get to 10m in Japan, and PS5 install base will likely be even less.  Switch install base will be 2-4 times that.  It really makes zero financial sense for a third party to release on PS5 unless it has a significant Western market.  Everything else will be on Switch, or at the very least multiplat.

Train wreck said:

I don't get it either.  Sony home consoles have been averaging 1 billion+ games sold for the last 25 years, 85+% 3rd party but NOW is the time they will be shying away to make Switch exclusives that have shown not to sell 3rd party software anywhere near that.

How many of those 1 billion games were sold in Japan?

Japan isn’t the be all end all for most games. Being exclusive for any platform doesn’t make sense until someone paid them to make it. The switch still doesn’t get big third party games so I don’t see how you expect exclusive titles to start coming. It hasn’t even gotten a monster hunter yet



MasonADC said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

PS4 install base will be lucky to get to 10m in Japan, and PS5 install base will likely be even less.  Switch install base will be 2-4 times that.  It really makes zero financial sense for a third party to release on PS5 unless it has a significant Western market.  Everything else will be on Switch, or at the very least multiplat.

How many of those 1 billion games were sold in Japan?

Japan isn’t the be all end all for most games. Being exclusive for any platform doesn’t make sense until someone paid them to make it. The switch still doesn’t get big third party games so I don’t see how you expect exclusive titles to start coming. It hasn’t even gotten a monster hunter yet

Actually it is.  Most third party games made by Japanese studios are made with the Japanese market it mind.  There are actually quite a few games that never get localized outside of Japan, and even the ones that do often have Japan as the primary market.

Japanese third party games are mostly made for the Japanese.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 05 June 2020

The_Liquid_Laser said:
MasonADC said:

Japan isn’t the be all end all for most games. Being exclusive for any platform doesn’t make sense until someone paid them to make it. The switch still doesn’t get big third party games so I don’t see how you expect exclusive titles to start coming. It hasn’t even gotten a monster hunter yet

Actually it is.  Most third party games made by Japanese studios are made with the Japanese market it mind.  There are actually quite a few games that never get localized outside of Japan, and even the ones that do often have Japan as the primary market.

Japanese third party games are mostly made for the Japanese.

Big third parties games aren’t targeting just japan anymore. That explains why they aren’t on switch 



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MasonADC said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Actually it is.  Most third party games made by Japanese studios are made with the Japanese market it mind.  There are actually quite a few games that never get localized outside of Japan, and even the ones that do often have Japan as the primary market.

Japanese third party games are mostly made for the Japanese.

Big third parties games aren’t targeting just japan anymore. That explains why they aren’t on switch 

Yep.  The few big third party games will be PS5 only or multiplat.  Switch will get a version of everything else, either exclusive or multiplat.  Switch will have most of the third party games.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
MasonADC said:

Big third parties games aren’t targeting just japan anymore. That explains why they aren’t on switch 

Yep.  The few big third party games will be PS5 only or multiplat.  Switch will get a version of everything else, either exclusive or multiplat.  Switch will have most of the third party games.

The few big?  So you're saying that the Switch "exclusives" will be games from no name publishers who have first week sales of 8k and top out at 25-30k and have no relevance outside Japan.  Sorta what the Vita got, gotcha.

You should be worrying more about how. after three years on the market, The Switch can release a game like The Outer Worlds in the shape its in than worry about which 3rd party exclusives it might be getting.

Last edited by Train wreck - on 05 June 2020

The_Liquid_Laser said:

Train wreck said:

I don't get it either.  Sony home consoles have been averaging 1 billion+ games sold for the last 25 years, 85+% 3rd party but NOW is the time they will be shying away to make Switch exclusives that have shown not to sell 3rd party software anywhere near that.

How many of those 1 billion games were sold in Japan?

Japan has its fairly equal share relative to install base.



Outside the Top 10:

  1. Luigi's Mansion 3 - 141.436
  2. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: Tokyo 2020 (Sega) - 119.007
  3. Super Mario Maker 2 - 118.497
  4. One Piece: Pirate Warriors 4 (Bandai Namco Games) - 117.954
  5. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 109.379
  6. Fishing Spirits: Nintendo Switch Version (Bandai Namco Games- 103.974
  7. New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 99.501
  8. Trials of Mana (Square Enix) - 96.809
  9. Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition - 90.789
  10. Hatsune Miku: Project Diva MegaMix* (Sega) - 78.558
  • Xenoblade Chronicles enters the Top 20 at Number 19, I'd expect around 150K by the end of the quarter - no chance of Top 10 entry
  • Clubhouse Games is the next major release for the Switch, don't be surprised if this game enters the Top 10
  • Very soon there won't be a game below 100K in the Top 20
  • Top 15 will be all Nintendo games except Minecraft by the end of the Quarter


Farsala said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

How many of those 1 billion games were sold in Japan?

Japan has its fairly equal share relative to install base.

It's install base in Japan is less than 10% of the current PS4 total.  Basically he was stating an irrelevant statistic.