Nautilus said:
sundin13 said:
"Tactics based solely on morality can only succeed when you are dealing with people who are moral or a system that is moral." -Malcolm X
This isn't about the morality of violence. It is an inevitability. When people are deprived of justice for generations, there will come a time when they stop politely asking. We have again reached one of those moments. Spending your time attacking those who have boiled over with righteous anger propagates the very system which created these injustices, especially when this violence that you so despise is actively being fueled by the immorality of the police system day in and day out.
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Even if it's understandable, it's the same kind of thinking that led to many wars and Dictatorships. Like some user already said before, do you think Nazism and Facism rose to power because they just took the power without the people consent? No. Germany and Italy was so destroyed after WW 1 that the people were literally starving. They were dying of common diseases. Those regimes gave them an "answer" that they liked back at that time, because it got them out of that misery, that allowed them to grab power. By the time they realized the shit they have done, it was too late.
But you think my example may be too extreme. That's fair. So let's give you a more grounded example. What about those stores that these protestors destroyed. Have you though about what will happen to their families? ESPECIALLY after this pandemic destroyed the economy of every single country? Do you care if they starve or don't have money to buy anything for their kids or to buy medicine? And in your reasoning, what if these same people that were attacked by the protesters decides to strike back? By your reasoning, it would be ok and understandable for them to beat them up, be them black or white. All in the name of justice...
My question to you is: Where we will end up, if what you said is regarded as something normal? Where and when this cycle of hate and violence will end?
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Don't compare a ruling class seizing power by oppressing minorities to minorities rising up to fight oppression.
These protests are not fascism. The response that we are seeing from the federal government is fascism. If you honestly want to fight against fascism, fight against the oppressive systems which these protesters are fighting against.
What about the stores? There are a lot of things that I have to say about that, to the extent that I don't even know how to begin. I guess I'll start by saying that I believe that the individuals and small businesses who have suffered as a result of these protests should be paid back. In many cases, they are. There are several charitable organizations who are seeking to help them out. As I've previously said, if you don't support the violence of these protests, instead of attacking those expressing their righteous anger, seek to build up those who you see doing good. One example of that is donating to these charitable organizations. I see that as an incredibly positive step that you can take.
But beyond that, I see the question about "what if they starve and don't have money to buy medicine" line to be a criticism of revolution through pointing out the injustices they are fighting against. If we truly lived in a just society, this wouldn't be a question. It should be the government's responsibility to provide a social safety net to the people. It should be the government's responsibility to provide healthcare and medicine to all who need it. This is largely tied to the greater injustice that these protests are built on. The systems that this country is built on harm the poor, each and every day. Every day, people suffer due to a lack of healthcare, and can't afford to purchase goods for their family. Do you fight against that broad injustice, affecting millions of Americans every year with the same voracity with which you fight against those seeking to end it?
So, that brings me to your last question: Where will this violence end?
With the justice that has been delayed for generations.