We are talking about actually seeing the games, not pre-rendered cut-scenes made for commercials, so zero to zero. Well, actually if you want to be super precise, we did see godfall's gameplay before, as brief as it was, so score it as you will, definitely no win for MS so far. There's no problem with rumors, they will show things in due course, i'm not here to defend marketing strategy of either company, I will point out something that maybe you should be commenting instead:

- MS dedicated split their new console's presentation into 2 parts, 3rd party showing (yesterday) and first party (in a couple months). So I'm left wondering, where is Rockstar? Where is WB's new Batman Game? Where is Cyberpunk? Where is Watch Dogs 2? Where is Activision and COD? Where is Battlefield? Where is Square Enix (Avengers, etc)? Where are all the major games we know are do to come out later this year and definitely be on new hardware? Found very interesting we have the hyped first big showing of 3rd parties on a next gen console and somehow all the big players are absent. The show long hyped Assassin's Creed "gameplay" was a total bust, and rehash of what Ubi showed previously.

On the ND point, that is such a weak argument I can't even believe you're making it. You realize Halo will also be a XB1 game right? So alluding that Sony shouldn't release it on the PS4 is the exact criticism non Xbox fans have been throwing about no real next gen games for XSX. So let me see if I get it right, it's good when MS does it for all games, but somehow it's bad in the case of LoU2? Interesting...

Btw last point on "I’d be more concerned with your own community tearing itself apart when LOU2 releases. Either you love the game and ND or you are a bigot for disagreeing". I don't have a clue what "my" community you are speaking about. Honestly.

Yeah 4K tvs are affordable, however not 4K + HDR + 120+Hz. It will be a few years until they are if we're being honest and I guess both of us are fringe cases. I would love to spend $1k+ on a new console every generation to assure it's as powerful as it can be, but the masses seem to be allergic to $400 and above kind of prices, while paying 3 times that for a phone every 2 years or so. It is what it is unfortunately...

Bullshit, there is no confirmation any of those are actual exclusives yet. Since when has MS been shy about labeling "Console exclusive" before in their presentations?  Or even "first on Xbox" to confirm timed exclusivity? 

Everything shown looks current gen. I would have loved just a small showcase of something running in realtime that shows next gen level physics, AI, graphics, mesh shaders and variable rate shading put to use, something not possible on current gen, something other than minecraft with ray tracing.

That link only leads to a 404 error.  Could you try again?

Your second paragraph basically ignores everything I said and just restates your own points.  Let me do the opposite and acknowledge what you are saying.  To restate it you are saying, "Yes, Microsoft's presentation sucked hard.  And they are going to give us two more sucky presentations.  If Sony was doing a presentation, then it would suck hard too.  But we don't even get a sucky presentation Sony.  You hear that Sony?  Where is your sucky presentation, huh?"

What I am saying is the opposite.  I don't want a sucky presentation.  No presentation is actually better than a bunch of sucky ones like Microsoft is giving us.  I am very content to actually wait for a good presentation where they tell us everything at once.  That is what these companies have always done in the past. 

On top of that all of these sucky presentations from Microsoft are a smoke screen.  They are trying to make it seem like they have something great when they really have nothing.  What does it look like when a company has something great?  They hold their cards close to their chest.  This is what Sony is doing.  Sony, at least internally, thinks they have something great, so they are keeping it secret to wait for a big reveal.  Microsoft has no big reveal.  That is why we get all of these sucky presentations that are a bunch of nothing.

Sony has better games releasing this year than microsoft does. 

Of course you meant what fits your narrative. Im glad that in the very coment you backtracked, you backtracked yet again. I also would love to know what you would score thouse games if you give godfall a 70(wich I agree, nothing special here) and for that game we have seen plenty and these games for most we know next to nothing. And even then, these are small games wich most likely are just not yet anounced for playstation. 

But I really want to know what its official from project mara and hellblade 2? As far as im aware hellblade is super early in development not to be expected any time soon and all we have seen is a pre rendered trailer that shows nothing but facial animations that are expected to reflect the xsx. And project mara has shown even less wich was mostly a real world shot and then a portion of a face. nothing but a concept yet. I cant tell wich one is more far away from release or to show anything tangible. That was no more than saying thouse 2 games are on development. The same as sony saying, god of war, spiderman and horizon are in development. I will give you halo as that at least we know when it will release, but also nothing but a cg trailer has been shown. 

Considering how much we are debating the show I guess it's fair to say that the reception was lukewarm at best. IMO it failed completely to garner my interest towards next-gen or the Xbox platform in general. Scorn looked awesome, but we have no idea what that was. As far as we know it could be an RTS title.

I understand that there are people who got excited about this, there is nothing wrong with that, but saying that MS kept expectations a bit low is pretty unjustified. There were quite a bit of drums being beaten about massive gameplay reveals, and it was one of the least gameplay-centric reveals that we have ever seen. So yes, in general it was a major letdown, and I will remian partial to major reveals going forward.

Almost every topic now days turns into a MS vs Sony situation. Even a politics thread will somehow drags those 2 in. Not condoning it, I just think with new gen almost upon us, console war mode has been triggered inside everyone. And yes, I know Im guilty of some of it to. 

How can Sony have revealed any first party games when they didn't even officially reveal of the ps5 yet? Truth is that we already know what Sony's will bring to the table and we also know that their first party studios have been working on ps5 exclusives for years now, including ND's second team.

MS showcase was disappointing because the games didn't ooze quality but the biggest issue is that "smart delivery" and small scale GP games is their whole strategy going forward. I've been ranting about it for months and maybe now you finally see why.   

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