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Dreamcast 45 51.14%
 
Original Xbox 43 48.86%
 
Total:88

Original Xbox. The Dreamcast really didn't bring anything new to the table and lets be honest, it was kinda a dead system before it even launched. THE PS2 hype and launch eventually killed the DC and hype for the system super fast. Yeah it had a lot of good games, but none of them really caught on with the public. But Xbox really brought a lot of innovation and went into areas that both Sony and Nintendo were not willing to venture into at the time.

* Console Lan (Halo Lan Parties)
* Xbox Live - This set the foundation for what we are used to now. It's funny that years later Nintendo still doesn't have the same setup that Xbox had when it launched live. If there was no Xbox live would Nintendo even have an online service now?
* Popularized dual analog shooters.
* Xbox also brought in a lot of older people (especially in with the PC crowd) to start console gaming.



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Last edited by Ashadelo - on 04 May 2020

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Ashadelo said:
Original Xbox. The Dreamcast really didn't bring anything new to the table and lets be honest, it was kinda a dead system before it even launched. THE PS2 hype and launch eventually killed the DC and hype for the system super fast. Yeah it had a lot of good games, but none of them really caught on with the public. But Xbox really brought a lot of innovation and went into areas that both Sony and Nintendo were not willing to venture into at the time.

* Console Lan (Halo Lan Parties)
* Xbox Live - This set the foundation for what we are used to now. It's funny that years later Nintendo still doesn't have the same setup that Xbox had when it launched live. If there was no Xbox live would Nintendo even have an online service now?
* Popularized dual analog shooters.
* Xbox also brought in a lot of older people (especially in with the PC crowd) to start console gaming.

Rare you see a post so full of wrong statements lol and triple posted it for some reason

Last edited by Leynos - on 04 May 2020

Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:

well actually a lot of games used CE kernell a lot in fact, and it run extremely worse 

watch the video until the end , and you are correct  Xbox is separate entity but not fully correct either, because many Dreamcast fans consider Xbox as the spiritual successor to Dreamcast and Sega wanted Xbox as their partner . Another prove is a lot Sega fans immigrate to Xbox and most of Sega fans are Xbox and Microsoft fans. Hell even the controler took idea from Sega Dreamcast, memory card VMU, etc etc. Xbox Arcade Live inspired by Sega Arcade, etc etc. And don't forget Peter More from Sega that help Xbox 360 to be recognized as a direct competitor to PS3. 

I am basing my knowledge from emulation circles, not youtube videos... Which tends to have a better knowledge base.

Either way... Less than 50 Dreamcast games actually leveraged Windows CE, the first of such titles was actually Sega Rally 2.
https://www.windowscentral.com/sega-dreamcast

Windows CE was the exception and not the norm as far as game developer support on the Dreamcast goes.

What Dreamcast "fans" think isn't necessarily reality, the Original Xbox and Dreamcast had completely different hardware and software stacks and was owned by different companies, they are as different as the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 was.

And again... Sega wasn't the first company with online and with online purchases... I elaborated on that prior in this thread, so I won't do so again.
Memory Cards wasn't a new concept either... The visual component on the dreamcast memory card was though as far as I know. (Happy to be corrected.)

The Nintendo 64 had memory cards you could plug into the controller just like the Dreamcast and Original Xbox, but that is not a better design as it increases cost, complexity and weight of controllers... The display on the memory cards was not something that happened on the Original Xbox either.

Again MVG are expert on emulation, jailbreak, console security , console modding , hardware modding, software modding and not just Youtuber

You are watching an expert videos which far more reliable than unknown forum

Dreamcast and Xbox is indeed different, the same thing i can with PS2 to PS3 or PS3 to PS4. 

He already said it's 75 title https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE

Yup even PS2 has memory card, but it's obvious from Xbox original design were indeed took inspiration alot from Dreamcast. It's different from 64 design as well so it's definitely inspired from Dreamcast. The controller is just another thing, Xbox Live Arcade, etc. 

And online yes, Sega might not be the first , but it's the one who push  console to mainstream and great at that. 

Also Windows Central are Microsoft news outlet , that's just prove a lot of Xbox fans were originally a Dreamcast fans. 

From market point of view and business point of view it's obvious Xbox is Microsoft console targeting for Sega die hard fans. 

https://kotaku.com/the-xbox-was-as-close-as-we-got-to-a-dreamcast-2-5859934

https://www.inquisitr.com/3254632/original-xbox-controller-prototype-drawings-show-inspiration-from-sega-dreamcast/

https://www.radiosega.net/news/features/2012/03/how-sega-influenced-the-original-xbox/

https://segaretro.org/Xbox

etc etc 

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 04 May 2020

Dreamcast spawned Sonic Adventure 1 and 2.

So I have to say Xbox.



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HollyGamer said:
Pemalite said:

I am basing my knowledge from emulation circles, not youtube videos... Which tends to have a better knowledge base.

Either way... Less than 50 Dreamcast games actually leveraged Windows CE, the first of such titles was actually Sega Rally 2.
https://www.windowscentral.com/sega-dreamcast

Windows CE was the exception and not the norm as far as game developer support on the Dreamcast goes.

What Dreamcast "fans" think isn't necessarily reality, the Original Xbox and Dreamcast had completely different hardware and software stacks and was owned by different companies, they are as different as the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 was.

And again... Sega wasn't the first company with online and with online purchases... I elaborated on that prior in this thread, so I won't do so again.
Memory Cards wasn't a new concept either... The visual component on the dreamcast memory card was though as far as I know. (Happy to be corrected.)

The Nintendo 64 had memory cards you could plug into the controller just like the Dreamcast and Original Xbox, but that is not a better design as it increases cost, complexity and weight of controllers... The display on the memory cards was not something that happened on the Original Xbox either.

Again MVG are expert on emulation, jailbreak, console security , console modding , hardware modding, software modding and not just Youtuber

You are watching an expert videos which far more reliable than unknown forum

Dreamcast and Xbox is indeed different, the same thing i can with PS2 to PS3 or PS3 to PS4. 

He already said it's 75 title https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE

Yup even PS2 has memory card, but it's obvious from Xbox original design were indeed took inspiration alot from Dreamcast. It's different from 64 design as well so it's definitely inspired from Dreamcast. The controller is just another thing, Xbox Live Arcade, etc. 

And online yes, Sega might not be the first , but it's the one who push  console to mainstream and great at that. 

Also Windows Central are Microsoft news outlet , that's just prove a lot of Xbox fans were originally a Dreamcast fans. 

From market point of view and business point of view it's obvious Xbox is Microsoft console targeting for Sega die hard fans. 

https://kotaku.com/the-xbox-was-as-close-as-we-got-to-a-dreamcast-2-5859934

https://www.inquisitr.com/3254632/original-xbox-controller-prototype-drawings-show-inspiration-from-sega-dreamcast/

https://www.radiosega.net/news/features/2012/03/how-sega-influenced-the-original-xbox/

https://segaretro.org/Xbox

etc etc 

He just needs to read the book Opening the Xbox.  Xbox was nearly fully BC with all DC games. MS used Dreamcast on focus tests developing Xbox and as you pictured they modeled their controllers after DC and nearly used VMUs.  Tho DLC was around in the 80s and even N64 had DLC so while DC did have DLC for games like Skies of Arcadia, it wasn't new. Just slowly becoming more standard.



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I never got the chance to play a Dreamcast so my vote is Xbox.



I actually feel like DC and Xbox have a very different vibe; DC was like an arcade machine squeezed into a console box while Xbox was a PC squeezed into a console box, and late 90s arcade gaming and 2000s PC gaming were quite different in feel and philosophy. Maybe that's just me.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:

I actually feel like DC and Xbox have a very different vibe; DC was like an arcade machine squeezed into a console box while Xbox was a PC squeezed into a console box, and late 90s arcade gaming and 2000s PC gaming were quite different in feel and philosophy. Maybe that's just me.

On a literal level this is correct. Dreamcast hardware was used in Arcade machines as the Naomi board. Xbox used PC parts and the controller ports were USB 1.0 just with different connectors. You could splice USB cables with Xbox controllers to work on PC and many did. You have to understand tho. SEGA fans were homeless. MS had connections with SEGA from DC and had a lot of ties. It was the perfect place for SEGA fans to go to. Sony and Nintendo were seen as rivals/enemies for years.



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Leynos said:
curl-6 said:

I actually feel like DC and Xbox have a very different vibe; DC was like an arcade machine squeezed into a console box while Xbox was a PC squeezed into a console box, and late 90s arcade gaming and 2000s PC gaming were quite different in feel and philosophy. Maybe that's just me.

On a literal level this is correct. Dreamcast hardware was used in Arcade machines as the Naomi board. Xbox used PC parts and the controller ports were USB 1.0 just with different connectors. You could splice USB cables with Xbox controllers to work on PC and many did. You have to understand tho. SEGA fans were homeless. MS had connections with SEGA from DC and had a lot of ties. It was the perfect place for SEGA fans to go to. Sony and Nintendo were seen as rivals/enemies for years.

I was more referring to just the general vibe. Arcade ports were a big part of Dreamcast while Xbox was characterized by PC ports like Doom 3 and Morrowind. There's a big difference in feeling between PC and arcade gaming.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.