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I prefer...

Dreamcast 45 51.14%
 
Original Xbox 43 48.86%
 
Total:88

Dreamcast. Not just the games but a lot very sentimental system for me.I can't get into why but it came at the perfect time in my life and I needed it to. Helped me out of a dark place. I love everything about the hardware. Ahead of its time with online. A camera and video service to share videos online. For such a short-lived console it has an insanely great library. Fans still make games for Dreamcast. First console MMO with PSO. Microsoft nearly made Xbox BC with DC games. They used focus tests used DC consoles and nearly put a VMU in the controller. The controller is modeled after the DC controller and still uses the Dreamcast colors buttons and button layout. Dreamcast, not Xbox was the first console to use Direct X. SEGA had a DC Zip Drive, Karaoke Machine. MP3 player. Cable Box. DVD player and much more planned. There was that DC built into a TV released in Japan. I could blabber on forever but there is no way anyone can deter me my love for DC. I liked the Xbox a lot. It felt like a continuation where DC left off. Hell Halo at one point was rumored for DC...when it was still a TPS.

Xbox 360 felt like the next Gen sequel to DC to me. From the consoles look. To the controller. To the early SEGA support.



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I prefer the Xbox library:



If Xbox had gotten RE4 (not sure why it didn't, anyone know?) it'd be far and away my top console of the 6th gen. As it is I have trouble picking a favourite.

I'll take Dreamcast over PS2 though, if mostly cos I prefer Sega as a company, and have more of an emotional attachment despite not owning a DC during its actual lifespan. DC represents the end of an era I cherish while for me PS2 represents an era where gaming as a whole lost some of its sparkle.

So I can safely say Xbox > DC > PS2 in my reckoning but I have trouble placing the Gamecube, as it had some great games but disappointed me a lot too.

If there is one aspect where DC does beat Xbox for me though its the box itself; while the Xbox's massive, imposing bulk does have a certain robust charm and screams power, the DC's slim chassis is overall more appealing to look at.



HollyGamer said:

well actually a lot of games used CE kernell a lot in fact, and it run extremely worse 

watch the video until the end , and you are correct  Xbox is separate entity but not fully correct either, because many Dreamcast fans consider Xbox as the spiritual successor to Dreamcast and Sega wanted Xbox as their partner . Another prove is a lot Sega fans immigrate to Xbox and most of Sega fans are Xbox and Microsoft fans. Hell even the controler took idea from Sega Dreamcast, memory card VMU, etc etc. Xbox Arcade Live inspired by Sega Arcade, etc etc. And don't forget Peter More from Sega that help Xbox 360 to be recognized as a direct competitor to PS3. 

I am basing my knowledge from emulation circles, not youtube videos... Which tends to have a better knowledge base.

Either way... Less than 50 Dreamcast games actually leveraged Windows CE, the first of such titles was actually Sega Rally 2.
https://www.windowscentral.com/sega-dreamcast

Windows CE was the exception and not the norm as far as game developer support on the Dreamcast goes.

What Dreamcast "fans" think isn't necessarily reality, the Original Xbox and Dreamcast had completely different hardware and software stacks and was owned by different companies, they are as different as the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 was.

And again... Sega wasn't the first company with online and with online purchases... I elaborated on that prior in this thread, so I won't do so again.
Memory Cards wasn't a new concept either... The visual component on the dreamcast memory card was though as far as I know. (Happy to be corrected.)

The Nintendo 64 had memory cards you could plug into the controller just like the Dreamcast and Original Xbox, but that is not a better design as it increases cost, complexity and weight of controllers... The display on the memory cards was not something that happened on the Original Xbox either.

Doctor_MG said:

The reason people consider the Xbox a spiritual successor has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software.

Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi 3, Shenmue 2, The House of the Dead 3, etc. all of these games were synonymous with Sega hardware. Xbox received exclusive sequels to these franchises. It is just in addition to that, Microsoft also worked with Sega to develop the Dreamcasts OS (which is likely where they started their relationship)

More or less a few of the 3rd party games? Alright. Makes sense.

The Windows CE and Windows NT based Xbox kernel were radically different, so the OS/API software stacks weren't comparable between the Dreamcast or Xbox, I elaborated on some differences prior on this front, so don't see the need to rehash all that again.



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curl-6 said:

If Xbox had gotten RE4 (not sure why it didn't, anyone know?) it'd be far and away my top console of the 6th gen. As it is I have trouble picking a favourite.

I'll take Dreamcast over PS2 though, if mostly cos I prefer Sega as a company, and have more of an emotional attachment despite not owning a DC during its actual lifespan. DC represents the end of an era I cherish while for me PS2 represents an era where gaming as a whole lost some of its sparkle.

So I can safely say Xbox > DC > PS2 in my reckoning but I have trouble placing the Gamecube, as it had some great games but disappointed me a lot too.

If there is one aspect where DC does beat Xbox for me though its the box itself; while the Xbox's massive, imposing bulk does have a certain robust charm and screams power, the DC's slim chassis is overall more appealing to look at.

RE4 was part of the Capcom 5 deal with Nintendo. It wasn't even supposed to appear on PS2. Mikami was pretty pissed off about it. He wanted to get RE away from Sony as he hated PS2 development and looked at Xbox and Gamecube. Nintendo had the better name and a presence in Japan and the west and made a deal as part of the Capcom 5.



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Original Xbox. The Dreamcast really didn't bring anything new to the table and lets be honest, it was kinda a dead system before it even launched. THE PS2 hype and launch eventually killed the DC and hype for the system super fast. Yeah it had a lot of good games, but none of them really caught on with the public. But Xbox really brought a lot of innovation and went into areas that both Sony and Nintendo were not willing to venture into at the time.

* Console Lan (Halo Lan Parties)
* Xbox Live - This set the foundation for what we are used to now. It's funny that years later Nintendo still doesn't have the same setup that Xbox had when it launched live. If there was no Xbox live would Nintendo even have an online service now?
* Popularized dual analog shooters.
* Xbox also brought in a lot of older people (especially in with the PC crowd) to start console gaming.



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Original Xbox. The Dreamcast really didn't bring anything new to the table and lets be honest, it was kinda a dead system before it even launched. THE PS2 hype and launch eventually killed the DC and hype for the system super fast. Yeah it had a lot of good games, but none of them really caught on with the public. But Xbox really brought a lot of innovation and went into areas that both Sony and Nintendo were not willing to venture into at the time.

* Console Lan (Halo Lan Parties)
* Xbox Live - This set the foundation for what we are used to now. It's funny that years later Nintendo still doesn't have the same setup that Xbox had when it launched live. If there was no Xbox live would Nintendo even have an online service now?
* Popularized dual analog shooters.
* Xbox also brought in a lot of older people (especially in with the PC crowd) to start console gaming.



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Last edited by Ashadelo - on 04 May 2020

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Ashadelo said:
Original Xbox. The Dreamcast really didn't bring anything new to the table and lets be honest, it was kinda a dead system before it even launched. THE PS2 hype and launch eventually killed the DC and hype for the system super fast. Yeah it had a lot of good games, but none of them really caught on with the public. But Xbox really brought a lot of innovation and went into areas that both Sony and Nintendo were not willing to venture into at the time.

* Console Lan (Halo Lan Parties)
* Xbox Live - This set the foundation for what we are used to now. It's funny that years later Nintendo still doesn't have the same setup that Xbox had when it launched live. If there was no Xbox live would Nintendo even have an online service now?
* Popularized dual analog shooters.
* Xbox also brought in a lot of older people (especially in with the PC crowd) to start console gaming.

Rare you see a post so full of wrong statements lol and triple posted it for some reason

Last edited by Leynos - on 04 May 2020

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Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:

well actually a lot of games used CE kernell a lot in fact, and it run extremely worse 

watch the video until the end , and you are correct  Xbox is separate entity but not fully correct either, because many Dreamcast fans consider Xbox as the spiritual successor to Dreamcast and Sega wanted Xbox as their partner . Another prove is a lot Sega fans immigrate to Xbox and most of Sega fans are Xbox and Microsoft fans. Hell even the controler took idea from Sega Dreamcast, memory card VMU, etc etc. Xbox Arcade Live inspired by Sega Arcade, etc etc. And don't forget Peter More from Sega that help Xbox 360 to be recognized as a direct competitor to PS3. 

I am basing my knowledge from emulation circles, not youtube videos... Which tends to have a better knowledge base.

Either way... Less than 50 Dreamcast games actually leveraged Windows CE, the first of such titles was actually Sega Rally 2.
https://www.windowscentral.com/sega-dreamcast

Windows CE was the exception and not the norm as far as game developer support on the Dreamcast goes.

What Dreamcast "fans" think isn't necessarily reality, the Original Xbox and Dreamcast had completely different hardware and software stacks and was owned by different companies, they are as different as the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 was.

And again... Sega wasn't the first company with online and with online purchases... I elaborated on that prior in this thread, so I won't do so again.
Memory Cards wasn't a new concept either... The visual component on the dreamcast memory card was though as far as I know. (Happy to be corrected.)

The Nintendo 64 had memory cards you could plug into the controller just like the Dreamcast and Original Xbox, but that is not a better design as it increases cost, complexity and weight of controllers... The display on the memory cards was not something that happened on the Original Xbox either.

Again MVG are expert on emulation, jailbreak, console security , console modding , hardware modding, software modding and not just Youtuber

You are watching an expert videos which far more reliable than unknown forum

Dreamcast and Xbox is indeed different, the same thing i can with PS2 to PS3 or PS3 to PS4. 

He already said it's 75 title https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE

Yup even PS2 has memory card, but it's obvious from Xbox original design were indeed took inspiration alot from Dreamcast. It's different from 64 design as well so it's definitely inspired from Dreamcast. The controller is just another thing, Xbox Live Arcade, etc. 

And online yes, Sega might not be the first , but it's the one who push  console to mainstream and great at that. 

Also Windows Central are Microsoft news outlet , that's just prove a lot of Xbox fans were originally a Dreamcast fans. 

From market point of view and business point of view it's obvious Xbox is Microsoft console targeting for Sega die hard fans. 

https://kotaku.com/the-xbox-was-as-close-as-we-got-to-a-dreamcast-2-5859934

https://www.inquisitr.com/3254632/original-xbox-controller-prototype-drawings-show-inspiration-from-sega-dreamcast/

https://www.radiosega.net/news/features/2012/03/how-sega-influenced-the-original-xbox/

https://segaretro.org/Xbox

etc etc 

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 04 May 2020