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Dreamcast 45 51.14%
 
Original Xbox 43 48.86%
 
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zumnupy10 said:
Original Xbox >>>>>> Dreamcast

MS redefined gaming with the original Xbox. Games like Halo, TES Morrowind, Kotor and Fable would never have come to consoles without Xbox. The games I mentioned were far better than pretty much anything the Dreamcast offered (except Shenmue). I have always seen Dreamcast as an overrated platform. It's mostly remembered by the sad death it had and by representing the end of an era in gaming.

Disagree on the overrated part although I see Xbox as the better platform DC is remembered for being ahead of its time that's why its death was so significant in gaming, a case point is how Xbox is seen as a spiritual successor to DC as it did what the latter did only better starting with the more cleaner online set up. On software DC lacks mainly in quantity but not really quality for example DC had the best versions of 2D fighters like MVC, MVC2, SF3 Third Strike, CVS, CVS2 and even on the 3D fighter front it had DOA2, Soul Calibur, Ready 2 Rumble and VF3 other case points in the library no platform had games like PSO, Jet Set Radio, Power Stone, Shenmue etc...

Another thing is some of Xbox's traits and even a few IPs were derived from the DC for example we mentioned online which Xbox executed well and pushed with the likes of Halo 2 but don't forget DC had Quake 3 online with cross platform support with PC before that and MSR is not only the precursor to Project Gotham it's the same team.



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Pemalite said:

From a graphics/horsepower perspective, the Original Xbox was the most powerful console of it's generation and was giving the console gaming world a small taste of programmable pixel shading that would become defacto during the 7th gen.

Often I hear that the OG Xbox is the "Spiritual Successor" to Dreamcast, but find that to be pretty far removed, they are IP's that are owned by completely different companies even to this day.

From a hardware perspective...
Xbox used: Intel x86 processor, nVidia Geforce 3 Hybrid GPU, Mechanical HDD, 64MB of RAM.
Dreamcast used: Hitachi MIPS CPU, PowerVR, 26MB of various memory pools of RAM.

Completely different.

The OS side gets a little more interesting, Dreamcast used Windows CE Kernel, but most games actually didn't use it, they relied on Sega's software stacks instead due to performance/feature reasons, however Windows CE is based on a fork of the NT Kernel... But the underlying OS principles are very different to the Xbox Operating Systems. - Windows CE is a very modular/compartmentalized operating system.

On the OG Xbox Microsoft customized the NT5 (Aka. Windows 2000) kernel for the OG Xbox, they essentially took the NT5 kernel and stripped it as far back as possible to make it as lean and efficient as possible, it doesn't even have a registry for example.

It would be no different than saying the Playstation 4 is the spiritual successor to an Apple Mac or an Android Phone because despite the hardware sets being chalk and cheese, they are all derived from a fork of *Nix.

In regards to games, that is entirely down to personal taste, I haven't played many of Sega's games so I can't give critique there, but I did enjoy Fable and Halo o the OG Xbox back in the day.

The reason people consider the Xbox a spiritual successor has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software.

Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi 3, Shenmue 2, The House of the Dead 3, etc. all of these games were synonymous with Sega hardware. Xbox received exclusive sequels to these franchises. It is just in addition to that, Microsoft also worked with Sega to develop the Dreamcasts OS (which is likely where they started their relationship)



I liked the Dreamcast more but X box did have Crimson Skies. I also enjoyed playing local deathmatch with friends on Halo 1.



For me it is OG Xbox over Dreamcast, but that might be based upon the library I owned.

For Dreamcast I had: Sonic Adventure, Dead or Alive 2, Virtua Fighter 3tb, Evolution: The World of Sacred Device, Soul Reaver, Grand Theft Auto 2, Virtual ON Rainbow Six, and Slave Zero.

For the Xbox I had: Halo 1, Halo 2, Crimson Skies, Fable: Lost Chapters, Breakdown, Blinx: Time Sweeper, Mechassault 2, Splinter Cell, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Morrowind, Ninja Gaiden Black, Jet Set Radio, Sega GT, and maybe a few others I've forgotten.

Not to mention that the Xbox hardware was far more powerful, and has a lot of feature sets that we take for granted now.



Dreamcast. Not just the games but a lot very sentimental system for me.I can't get into why but it came at the perfect time in my life and I needed it to. Helped me out of a dark place. I love everything about the hardware. Ahead of its time with online. A camera and video service to share videos online. For such a short-lived console it has an insanely great library. Fans still make games for Dreamcast. First console MMO with PSO. Microsoft nearly made Xbox BC with DC games. They used focus tests used DC consoles and nearly put a VMU in the controller. The controller is modeled after the DC controller and still uses the Dreamcast colors buttons and button layout. Dreamcast, not Xbox was the first console to use Direct X. SEGA had a DC Zip Drive, Karaoke Machine. MP3 player. Cable Box. DVD player and much more planned. There was that DC built into a TV released in Japan. I could blabber on forever but there is no way anyone can deter me my love for DC. I liked the Xbox a lot. It felt like a continuation where DC left off. Hell Halo at one point was rumored for DC...when it was still a TPS.

Xbox 360 felt like the next Gen sequel to DC to me. From the consoles look. To the controller. To the early SEGA support.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

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I prefer the Xbox library:



If Xbox had gotten RE4 (not sure why it didn't, anyone know?) it'd be far and away my top console of the 6th gen. As it is I have trouble picking a favourite.

I'll take Dreamcast over PS2 though, if mostly cos I prefer Sega as a company, and have more of an emotional attachment despite not owning a DC during its actual lifespan. DC represents the end of an era I cherish while for me PS2 represents an era where gaming as a whole lost some of its sparkle.

So I can safely say Xbox > DC > PS2 in my reckoning but I have trouble placing the Gamecube, as it had some great games but disappointed me a lot too.

If there is one aspect where DC does beat Xbox for me though its the box itself; while the Xbox's massive, imposing bulk does have a certain robust charm and screams power, the DC's slim chassis is overall more appealing to look at.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

HollyGamer said:

well actually a lot of games used CE kernell a lot in fact, and it run extremely worse 

watch the video until the end , and you are correct  Xbox is separate entity but not fully correct either, because many Dreamcast fans consider Xbox as the spiritual successor to Dreamcast and Sega wanted Xbox as their partner . Another prove is a lot Sega fans immigrate to Xbox and most of Sega fans are Xbox and Microsoft fans. Hell even the controler took idea from Sega Dreamcast, memory card VMU, etc etc. Xbox Arcade Live inspired by Sega Arcade, etc etc. And don't forget Peter More from Sega that help Xbox 360 to be recognized as a direct competitor to PS3. 

I am basing my knowledge from emulation circles, not youtube videos... Which tends to have a better knowledge base.

Either way... Less than 50 Dreamcast games actually leveraged Windows CE, the first of such titles was actually Sega Rally 2.
https://www.windowscentral.com/sega-dreamcast

Windows CE was the exception and not the norm as far as game developer support on the Dreamcast goes.

What Dreamcast "fans" think isn't necessarily reality, the Original Xbox and Dreamcast had completely different hardware and software stacks and was owned by different companies, they are as different as the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 was.

And again... Sega wasn't the first company with online and with online purchases... I elaborated on that prior in this thread, so I won't do so again.
Memory Cards wasn't a new concept either... The visual component on the dreamcast memory card was though as far as I know. (Happy to be corrected.)

The Nintendo 64 had memory cards you could plug into the controller just like the Dreamcast and Original Xbox, but that is not a better design as it increases cost, complexity and weight of controllers... The display on the memory cards was not something that happened on the Original Xbox either.

Doctor_MG said:

The reason people consider the Xbox a spiritual successor has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software.

Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi 3, Shenmue 2, The House of the Dead 3, etc. all of these games were synonymous with Sega hardware. Xbox received exclusive sequels to these franchises. It is just in addition to that, Microsoft also worked with Sega to develop the Dreamcasts OS (which is likely where they started their relationship)

More or less a few of the 3rd party games? Alright. Makes sense.

The Windows CE and Windows NT based Xbox kernel were radically different, so the OS/API software stacks weren't comparable between the Dreamcast or Xbox, I elaborated on some differences prior on this front, so don't see the need to rehash all that again.



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curl-6 said:

If Xbox had gotten RE4 (not sure why it didn't, anyone know?) it'd be far and away my top console of the 6th gen. As it is I have trouble picking a favourite.

I'll take Dreamcast over PS2 though, if mostly cos I prefer Sega as a company, and have more of an emotional attachment despite not owning a DC during its actual lifespan. DC represents the end of an era I cherish while for me PS2 represents an era where gaming as a whole lost some of its sparkle.

So I can safely say Xbox > DC > PS2 in my reckoning but I have trouble placing the Gamecube, as it had some great games but disappointed me a lot too.

If there is one aspect where DC does beat Xbox for me though its the box itself; while the Xbox's massive, imposing bulk does have a certain robust charm and screams power, the DC's slim chassis is overall more appealing to look at.

RE4 was part of the Capcom 5 deal with Nintendo. It wasn't even supposed to appear on PS2. Mikami was pretty pissed off about it. He wanted to get RE away from Sony as he hated PS2 development and looked at Xbox and Gamecube. Nintendo had the better name and a presence in Japan and the west and made a deal as part of the Capcom 5.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Original Xbox. The Dreamcast really didn't bring anything new to the table and lets be honest, it was kinda a dead system before it even launched. THE PS2 hype and launch eventually killed the DC and hype for the system super fast. Yeah it had a lot of good games, but none of them really caught on with the public. But Xbox really brought a lot of innovation and went into areas that both Sony and Nintendo were not willing to venture into at the time.

* Console Lan (Halo Lan Parties)
* Xbox Live - This set the foundation for what we are used to now. It's funny that years later Nintendo still doesn't have the same setup that Xbox had when it launched live. If there was no Xbox live would Nintendo even have an online service now?
* Popularized dual analog shooters.
* Xbox also brought in a lot of older people (especially in with the PC crowd) to start console gaming.



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