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Is FF VII Remake a complete game and can be nominated as GOTY?

Yes, it's a complete game 36 54.55%
 
No, it's just an episode 21 31.82%
 
Something in between 9 13.64%
 
Total:66
Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

So you'll have to consider the original FFVII incomplete and episodic as well, since it got another 2 games giving more details on the story and also there were a lot of content cut from the game.

And the thread is about FFVIIR  being allowed or not to be GOTY and you are siding with the argument of the episodic that is a reason for not being allowed so spare us of "I love other episodic stuff" and address OP.

1) I am pretty sure I can post (as long as I don't attack anybody) whatever I please.  So, if you would be so kind as not to tell me what I can or cannot say.  

2) I never said FFVII can't be GotY.  I posted a list of my personal concerns, some Think-man has substantiated (loads of watching and listening isn't my thing nor is silly/uninteresting/un-impactful side quests)) and concluded it isn't likely to be my GotY.  I never said it couldn't be GotY for others.  So your post is literally made up.  Again (for the 8th time?) the e-word isn't a dirty word.  

1) Not really, there is more than one rule in VGC. Being off-topic would be one of the not allowed.

2) Still you took until I challenged to say it can, before that you were just siding with what is the argument for it not being eligible. You want to call it an episode on a context that defines episode as something else and is really being stubborn over it. And being concerned without knowing what will be there is just silly. You just want to over worry. Wait for reviews and then see if the game is worthy your purchase instead of deciding that because the game was changed, because there will be several parts or sequels, the game will be bad.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

1) I am pretty sure I can post (as long as I don't attack anybody) whatever I please.  So, if you would be so kind as not to tell me what I can or cannot say.  

2) I never said FFVII can't be GotY.  I posted a list of my personal concerns, some Think-man has substantiated (loads of watching and listening isn't my thing nor is silly/uninteresting/un-impactful side quests)) and concluded it isn't likely to be my GotY.  I never said it couldn't be GotY for others.  So your post is literally made up.  Again (for the 8th time?) the e-word isn't a dirty word.  

1) Not really, there is more than one rule in VGC. Being off-topic would be one of the not allowed.

2) Still you took until I challenged to say it can, before that you were just siding with what is the argument for it not being eligible. You want to call it an episode on a context that defines episode as something else and is really being stubborn over it. And being concerned without knowing what will be there is just silly. You just want to over worry. Wait for reviews and then see if the game is worthy your purchase instead of deciding that because the game was changed, because there will be several parts or sequels, the game will be bad.

1) take it up with the Head Mod.  In the Bayo 1 versus Bayo 2 thread, he told me being off topic is perfectly acceptable as long as there are not any personal attacks.  Let me know what he says.  :) 



Chrkeller said:
Hynad said:

Stop playing the poor little victim and get out of your ass for a second and read this again: I don’t give two shits how you label those games. I only explained WHY they’re not viewed the way YOU view them by everyone.

Lol, somebody is triggered.  I guess the truth hurts.  :) 

And to be clear, I never questioned why people don't view them as episodic.  I questioned why people get some upset about others using the e-word.  Feel free to re-read all your crying posts for details on my point.  

Have a good day, if that is possible.  Let me know if you need a tissue.  

Good luck with that one.






                                                                                                             

Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

1) Not really, there is more than one rule in VGC. Being off-topic would be one of the not allowed.

2) Still you took until I challenged to say it can, before that you were just siding with what is the argument for it not being eligible. You want to call it an episode on a context that defines episode as something else and is really being stubborn over it. And being concerned without knowing what will be there is just silly. You just want to over worry. Wait for reviews and then see if the game is worthy your purchase instead of deciding that because the game was changed, because there will be several parts or sequels, the game will be bad.

1) take it up with the Head Mod.  In the Bayo 1 versus Bayo 2 thread, he told me being off topic is perfectly acceptable as long as there are not any personal attacks.  Let me know what he says.  :) 

Then that changed. It was accepted a post to go off-topic, but when it became derailing thread usually a warning would be issued and next a proihibition to keep that off-topic discussion. Anyway, since you cleared that you think it being a remake doesn't invalidate it being able to compete for GOTY and that you are just discussing if one should call it an episode or not then there is no point in targeting it.

But do you acknowledge that in the gaming market episode is used to describe games like Life is strange (1h episodes that don't really have begining, start, end) and not for a full game that will need sequels to finish the story?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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Hynad said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

So FFVIIR is the first acceptable case then. Wow, as expected from Square Enix fans.

And yes, English isn't my first language.

I figured. Since you seem to read stuff nobody said or even implied.

I only understand 1 thing: fans are excited for a remake that have multi parts of a complete original story. Based on what i heard so far, each part cost $60 while only took ~ 20 - 25 hours for the main story, a bit more with all side quests.



DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

1) take it up with the Head Mod.  In the Bayo 1 versus Bayo 2 thread, he told me being off topic is perfectly acceptable as long as there are not any personal attacks.  Let me know what he says.  :) 

Then that changed. It was accepted a post to go off-topic, but when it became derailing thread usually a warning would be issued and next a proihibition to keep that off-topic discussion. Anyway, since you cleared that you think it being a remake doesn't invalidate it being able to compete for GOTY and that you are just discussing if one should call it an episode or not then there is no point in targeting it.

But do you acknowledge that in the gaming market episode is used to describe games like Life is strange (1h episodes that don't really have begining, start, end) and not for a full game that will need sequels to finish the story?

1) It changed in the last two days?

2) You aren't a mod, so I'll kindly ask you stop telling me what I can and cannot do.

3) This thread is LITERALLY about if FFVII is episodic, so I am not off topic to begin with.

4) As mentioned NUMEROUS times I haven't played games people are mentioning, thus I cannot comment.

5) I have played Xenosage, that episodic rpg that was released on the ps2.  FFVII seems very similar in concept.  In fact the verbiage of episodes is on the cover.



Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

Then that changed. It was accepted a post to go off-topic, but when it became derailing thread usually a warning would be issued and next a proihibition to keep that off-topic discussion. Anyway, since you cleared that you think it being a remake doesn't invalidate it being able to compete for GOTY and that you are just discussing if one should call it an episode or not then there is no point in targeting it.

But do you acknowledge that in the gaming market episode is used to describe games like Life is strange (1h episodes that don't really have begining, start, end) and not for a full game that will need sequels to finish the story?

1) It changed in the last two days?

I guess you didn't understood. It changed from since I have seem mods warning about off-topic and derailing. But I already said there is no point in keeping at it

2) You aren't a mod, so I'll kindly ask you stop telling me what I can and cannot do.

Have I said you can or cannot? I asked you to address the OP, and you did. It was a command it was a request.

3) This thread is LITERALLY about if FFVII is episodic, so I am not off topic to begin with.

Nope, read title and OP. It is about it not being allowed to be GOTY, and one of the reasons is it being episodic.

4) As mentioned NUMEROUS times I haven't played games people are mentioning, thus I cannot comment.

Doesn't matter if you have played or not. It is still how the industry do. Several telltale games are episodic (I believe there are over 10 or 20 released), and that is the standard that is being used to call a game episodic, you can either purchase each of the episodes or the "whole game", but they are quite fast and really dependant on one another, in a way that you don't really get a satisfactory experience with playing just one of them. Sure a multi-release, part, sequel, trilogy, etc you don't get the full experience and you may be a little lost if you just read/watch/play one in the middle, but they are done in a way that you have a fulfilling experience and is reasonably understanding what happened in that volume.

So FFXII-2 and Lightning Returns aren't considered episodes, they are considered sequels. That is the distinction we are making, not because we hate the episode word, it is just that in the context of games it is considered something else.

5) I have played Xenosage, that episodic rpg that was released on the ps2.  FFVII seems very similar in concept.  In fact the verbiage of episodes is on the cover.

Yes and some of the star wars games had "episode" on the cover. That still doesn't change the fact that calling a game episodic is a standard used for something else. It isn't a matter of your experiences or how you fell about episode, it is a matter of how it is normally called. Also you example of Xenosaga on PS2 is what? 15 years old? We are talking about how it is considered now and that episodic is being used as an attack against the title. Or have you seem anyone that say it isn't an episode denying that the game will have sequels to end the story?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

1) It changed in the last two days?

I guess you didn't understood. It changed from since I have seem mods warning about off-topic and derailing. But I already said there is no point in keeping at it

2) You aren't a mod, so I'll kindly ask you stop telling me what I can and cannot do.

Have I said you can or cannot? I asked you to address the OP, and you did. It was a command it was a request.

3) This thread is LITERALLY about if FFVII is episodic, so I am not off topic to begin with.

Nope, read title and OP. It is about it not being allowed to be GOTY, and one of the reasons is it being episodic.

4) As mentioned NUMEROUS times I haven't played games people are mentioning, thus I cannot comment.

Doesn't matter if you have played or not. It is still how the industry do. Several telltale games are episodic (I believe there are over 10 or 20 released), and that is the standard that is being used to call a game episodic, you can either purchase each of the episodes or the "whole game", but they are quite fast and really dependant on one another, in a way that you don't really get a satisfactory experience with playing just one of them. Sure a multi-release, part, sequel, trilogy, etc you don't get the full experience and you may be a little lost if you just read/watch/play one in the middle, but they are done in a way that you have a fulfilling experience and is reasonably understanding what happened in that volume.

So FFXII-2 and Lightning Returns aren't considered episodes, they are considered sequels. That is the distinction we are making, not because we hate the episode word, it is just that in the context of games it is considered something else.

5) I have played Xenosage, that episodic rpg that was released on the ps2.  FFVII seems very similar in concept.  In fact the verbiage of episodes is on the cover.

Yes and some of the star wars games had "episode" on the cover. That still doesn't change the fact that calling a game episodic is a standard used for something else. It isn't a matter of your experiences or how you fell about episode, it is a matter of how it is normally called. Also you example of Xenosaga on PS2 is what? 15 years old? We are talking about how it is considered now and that episodic is being used as an attack against the title. Or have you seem anyone that say it isn't an episode denying that the game will have sequels to end the story?

I don't understand your argument, FFVIIR is a REMAKE of the original game, each episode cost $60 with only 20 hours or a bit more for the main story. All other examples are not remake of the original game, not even comparable.



Chrkeller said:

I haven't missed any points. You are acting like your opinion is fact. It isn't.

FFVII has a full story with red, yuffie, cid and cait. And Vincent. Their stories are not in episode 1 being the full story has been segmented. Sorry Jack, want to talk facts, there you have it.

I'm off to play Ori.

But you can't dictate to developers and us what a full game is,if they put enough content and work in it to be a full game then it is.

The point you are missing is that this remake does not have to be a one to one traditional copy of the old game and it surely does not need the full story to be satisfactory and worth it's money.

So the original story has been segmented but you ignore that it is also being fleshed out by alot so if this is a negative or not comes down to personal bias.

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