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Is FF VII Remake a complete game and can be nominated as GOTY?

Yes, it's a complete game 36 54.55%
 
No, it's just an episode 21 31.82%
 
Something in between 9 13.64%
 
Total:66
HoangNhatAnh said:
Hynad said:


That’s some crappy logic.

Is Frodo’s story arc done with The Fellowship of the Ring? No.

Is TFOTR still a complete movie? Yes.

Is it a complete story? No.

FF VII Remake is the same. It’s a full game, but not a full story.

Why is it difficult for you to get that in your head? Here’s what I observed: You can’t dissociate both versions of the story.

The first two examples are the remake of the original game too?

Irrelevant.

Or is it your trouble with english? 

Last edited by Hynad - on 04 April 2020

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I voted for yes, and it can be GOTY.



”Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.”

Harriet Tubman.

I can't believe there is so much arguing over this. No it's not the full Final Fantasy VII story. No its not just Midger stretched out. It's a retelling of a section of the Final Fantasy VII story. A damned good one at that, introducing new characters, stories and areas that wouldn't be possible if square did the full remake in one hit. Well of course it would be possible but we would be waiting so long to get it. The initial side quests aren't anything special. But they do get better, one in particular at the start that seemed like just a regular "kill this monster" quest ended up with the monster running away and me having to chase him into a new area that wasn't accessible before. Even in the first slums lots of the areas are only accessible via quests, you can choose to ignore them and continue with the story or do them and open up new areas.

My personal take is, it doesn't feel like Final Fantasy VII but does at the same time if that makes sense. Not to take anything away from it, I've been playing for 3 days straight now and can't put it down. But it definitely feels different from the original. And that's both good and bad. It's hard to explain though haha.



The Hobbit book, which was shorter than any of the Lord of the Rings books, was broken down into three films, each film had a distinct beginning, middle and end. The trilogy as a whole ended with 175 nominations and 43 wins in various categories.
(Source; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_The_Hobbit_film_series )

TL;DR Yes, Final Fantasy VII Remake, either the first part, second, third, or however many more they make, can absolutely be nominated for, or maybe even win, a Game of the Year award.



Hynad said:
Chrkeller said:

Honestly I don't understand the sensitivity around the e-word.  Star Wars are clearly labeled as episodes and are my all-time favorite movies.  So no, I don't get the problem with calling FFVII for what it is.  Especially when people who are sensitive to the e-word constantly bring up Xenosaga and Star Wars...  both of which are literally labeled as e-words.  

I literally just explained to you why... 

Not really.  One group views the e-word as dirty.  The rest of recognize the e-word as being great for a wide variety of media.  Star Wars, LotR, Song of Ice and Fire, etc.  Just because you are uber sensitive doesn't mean I am going to alter (and butcher) the English language.  

As for the question being posed in the OP, sure it can be GotY.  RE2 was my personal GotY 2019.  Wind Waker HD is top 5 all time for me.  There is nothing wrong with remakes (or remasters) nor is there anything with wrong episodic media.  Again, I don't get why people are so upset about accurately using a word to describe a game.  It is silly.  

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And one more thing, the amount of attention to detail and the love and care you can tell Square Enix put into this is amazing. No corners were cut, if you are a fan of cutscenes and character chitchat like i am, there is loads! Like sometimes you can put the controller down for a few minutes and watch the cutscenes one after the other. I know some people aren't fold of that, but i really missed that in recent Final Fantasy games where the story was so disjointed and cutscenes were few and far between with story arks going no where (looking at you ffxv). So it's nice to have a story that actually flows properly and doesn't have me scratching my head.



siebensus4 said:

...because it's a game released in episodes and the release on April 10, 2020 is only episode 1. Other episodes will follow to complete the main story.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want to bash the remake. I played the demo and yes, the quality should match the requirements to be nominated as GOTY (game of the year). But my point is that this release is being marketed as "Final Fantasy VII Remake" which suggests that this release is a remake of the complete game Final Fantasy VII, although it's only a small part of the main story of the original Final Fantasy VII, but with additional content. The wording is absolutely misleading and dupery in my opinion. There's no sign for the customer that there are a few more episodes to come in the following years that obviously will be released on future systems (PS5 and probably PS6).

As a game which is released in episodes, it has to be handeled like other games which are released in episodes. For example Life is Strange.

Argument 1: The time between the releases of episodes is much longer than on other episodic game releases (a few years instead of a few months), so FF VII Remake should be handled as a complete game.
Well, if development time between titles is an argument for a nomination as GOTY, then Shenmue III should have won the award without competition. Besides, the time between game releases is not a quality property and doesn't make a game more complete.

Argument 2: The content is much bigger (100 GB) and the time for a playthrough is much longer than on other episodic game releases, so it should be handled as a complete game.
If content and playing time matters to be nominated as GOTY, then why are "Journey" or "Untitled Goose Game" being nominated (in one category) as GOTY? You can play through these games within a few hours, just like a Life is Strange episode.

Even if we assume that FF VII Remake IS a complete game, then we can compare it with other complete games, for example the original Final Fantasy VII. Will it have the same impact on the player? I don't think so. Many important characters and places are missing. Probably you won't even get a good picture of the main villain. Midgar is not even representative for the whole game. When I played the original back in 1997, Midgar was by far the worst part of the game and I really had to force myself to play on. But that's just a personal impression (but I know that I'm not the only one).

You get the point. Is Final Fantasy VII Remake a complete game? In my opinion, content-wise yes, story-wise no. But the story is a main feature of a RPG and people who play FF VII Remake will have a quite different experience as if they would play the original game. But the word "Remake" and the missing "Episode 1" implies that the player gets roughly the same game as the original, just in an optimized version - which isn't the case.

Compared to other games, which were released in episodes, it wouldn't be fair if Final Fantasy VII Remake would be nominated as GOTY. That would imply that all upcoming episodes of FF VII Remake could also be nominated as GOTY. But not every episode of Life is Strange 2 was nominated as GOTY, although they were released in different years. Only the complete game with all episodes got the nomination. To be consistently correct, FF VII Remake can only be nominated as GOTY, when all episodes were released and the complete main story has been told.

Thoughts?

PS: Maybe it's more comparable to the "Star Wars" or "Lord of the Rings" movie series, which each part had also won Oscars individually. But the difference is still the misleading wording. A subtitle like "Midgar" or "VII-1" or "VII Episode 1" would have been a better choice than "Remake". Other recent games like Resident Evil 2 or Shadow of the Colossus don't even have "Remake" in the title, although they are one.

My thoughts:

nice arguments but I think it can be GOTY.

cheers

PS: and I hope it to be because I preordered it, so if it is GOTY means is good game and a good irrational spend of my money.  :)



DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

Before attacking somebody blindly you ought to take 5 seconds to understand their stance. I never called the remake incomplete. I never said it wasn't a full game. My stance is the remake is episodic, much like LotR and Star Wars. So great work attacking somebody for a claim they never made.  And the remake is episodic.  Which may (or may not) be a bad thing.  My point is people are awful defensive of the e-word when the e-word is an accurate description.  But by all means keep attacking.

Edit

Also you keep insisting I'm treating this as a telltale game.  Dude I've never played a telltale game and have no idea what their games are like.  Lol

So you'll have to consider the original FFVII incomplete and episodic as well, since it got another 2 games giving more details on the story and also there were a lot of content cut from the game.

And the thread is about FFVIIR  being allowed or not to be GOTY and you are siding with the argument of the episodic that is a reason for not being allowed so spare us of "I love other episodic stuff" and address OP.

1) I am pretty sure I can post (as long as I don't attack anybody) whatever I please.  So, if you would be so kind as not to tell me what I can or cannot say.  

2) I never said FFVII can't be GotY.  I posted a list of my personal concerns, some Think-man has substantiated (loads of watching and listening isn't my thing nor is silly/uninteresting/un-impactful side quests)) and concluded it isn't likely to be my GotY.  I never said it couldn't be GotY for others.  So your post is literally made up.  Again (for the 8th time?) the e-word isn't a dirty word.  



think-man said:
And one more thing, the amount of attention to detail and the love and care you can tell Square Enix put into this is amazing. No corners were cut, if you are a fan of cutscenes and character chitchat like i am, there is loads! Like sometimes you can put the controller down for a few minutes and watch the cutscenes one after the other. I know some people aren't fold of that, but i really missed that in recent Final Fantasy games where the story was so disjointed and cutscenes were few and far between with story arks going no where (looking at you ffxv). So it's nice to have a story that actually flows properly and doesn't have me scratching my head.

I'm a cutscene heavy guy, maybe one of the few people who actually LOVES MGS4 for its cutscenes lol, so this is good news for me :P 



Chrkeller said:
Hynad said:

I literally just explained to you why... 

Not really.  One group views the e-word as dirty.  The rest of recognize the e-word as being great for a wide variety of media.  Star Wars, LotR, Song of Ice and Fire, etc.  Just because you are uber sensitive doesn't mean I am going to alter (and butcher) the English language.  

As for the question being posed in the OP, sure it can be GotY.  RE2 was my personal GotY 2019.  Wind Waker HD is top 5 all time for me.  There is nothing wrong with remakes (or remasters) nor is there anything with wrong episodic media.  Again, I don't get why people are so upset about accurately using a word to describe a game.  It is silly.  

I don't really have too much of a issue with the e word, I can see both arguments. In a way, going into this game thinking its some small episode could be a blessing, it may lower people's expectations and have them pleasantly surprised that it's not just 5 hours of story and fetch quests to drag it out. Either way, I'm enjoying it thankfully. It's the first Final Fantasy I've played in a long time where I haven't felt disappointed. And it's been a loong long time since that has happened. 20 years even lol. Square Enix should be happy I loved 7-10 enough to still follow the franchise.