KLXVER said:
Runa216 said:
How many times do I have to explain to people like you: the real world doesn't work in binary states. It's not a matter of 'tolerate everything or tolerate nothing'. you can 'tolerate' people being gay, but that is NOT the same as permission for them to be pedophilic. I know it's an extreme example, but it gets the point across very well. There's a world of difference between 'being conservative' (which in and of itself is fine), and being Donald Trump (who pushes conspiracy theories, and through his position of power has done real damage to the world around him.)
The only way your narrative works is if there's no realistic middle ground. cut that out. That's not how the real world works. I, as a progressive, believe in women's rights, the BLM movement, Anti-fascism, the LGBT+ community, and all that other progressive nonsense. That does not mean I believe in some weird world where women dominate and men are all pets, or that ONLY black lives matter, or that I support the more extreme variants on Antifa, or that the most skewed and dangerous sexualities (like pedo or necro) are okay. You can't just turn around and act like being tolerant of religion or gender or sexuality or race is the same as saying 'everything is permitted, and nothing any of these minorities do is ever wrong'.
You've got the whole world wrong and you're doing both yourself and the discussion a disservice by reducing the entire argument to all or nothing binary. Cut that out. Seriously.
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Well maybe if you said that once in a while, it would be easier to look at you as a person and not some liberal robot. Maybe criticize BLM and Antifa when they are burning down cities and looting. And not shifting the blame away from them. I support equality for all races and genders. I support the LGBTQ community and I think feminism is fine, but I will absolutely call them out when they cross the line. Lines like bullying people who doesnt see everything 100% their way. Like J.K. Rowling. She has an opinion and people should either accept that or try to educate her if they think she is wrong. Not cancel her and call her horrific names. Im never solely on one side. Although it may seem like it here since Im mostly talking to people who doesnt agree with me on many things.
Well at least you did show me another side of you now, so that is appreciated.
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That's the thing, I've BEEN saying this since the beginning and didn't really feel the need to clarify until recently because anyone who uses common sense should understand the base concept that not everything is binary. I felt it should be pretty obvious that supporting something doesn't mean I support the worst of it or do so regardless of external or internal factors.
And I won't condemn BLM or Antifa because neither of those movements are centralized or run by a single group or individual. Hating BLM because there has been damage done on BLM protestors is like hating subway because JAred's a pedo. The Antifa and BLM protestors who are doing damage are the outliers, not the primary folks responsible. Fullstop. I am not going to condemn a group because a small group is representing them poorly.
Just like I'm not going to hate gay people because some gay folks are super flamboyant and obnoxious.
Just like I'm not going to hate feminists because a small subset of feminists also hate men.
Just like I'm not going to hate muslims because extremists do terrorism (This is true of ALL religions)
Just like I'm not going to hate women for whatever reason people supposedly hate women.
Just like I'm not going to hate black or hispanic or asian people when one of them commits a crime.
Every single one of these examples, up to and including your stance on BLM and Antifa, are examples of binary extremes. a few outliers did a bad thing and that justifies your hatred for the whole group, that predetermined hatred based on politics. It's not based on reality or the numbers, it's an excuse. Everyone does it, which is why the term 'everyone's a little bit racist sometimes' is a thing (Thank you Avenue Q). The key is to identify it and fix it. Everyone makes mistakes, but a person's character determines how they respond to it, how they learn from it, and how they grow afterwards.
Until you accept that you don't hate BLM, you just hate the tiny pockets of people making it look bad, I am not convinced there's much room for a constructive discussion on the matter. Until you accept that Antifa isn't some terrorist group but the concept of being anti-fascism, I fear the same. Just because someone does something bad in the name of Antifa doesn't make Antifa bad any more than how a few white dudes with AK-47s shooting up a gay bar in the name of jesus makes Christianity bad.
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