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Shout it from the rooftops, or the White House, either one'll do: 

But yes, it's great to finally hear a SANE man at the White House podium after 4 years.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
gergroy said:

The core message of the Republican Party of limited government, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility (if they remember that message) still resonates with a lot of people obviously.  

Some friend sent me those prints last Tuesday/Wednesday. I'm not sure if they are real, but if this is what Fox News public supports then I don't know what is the reason they're still supporting Reps

Maybe anti socialist propaganda on USA went too far, after decades of phantom menace most of citizens they don't trust any left-wing party policies anymore. On this forum you can say many fellow Americans deeming every social policy as socialism, even basic ones like healthcare. It's a concern I cannot understand 

Welcome to my world. All Americans seem to be onboard with the very same shit they are rejecting! FFS, this is beyond foolish.  

RolStoppable said:
AsGryffynn said:

1. Wouldn't have that happened by now? The only exception I can think of is Ross Perot who could have become a credible threat if he hadn't dropped out temporarily. Out of sheer curiosity for how Americans see at the ground level, how likely do you think it is? 

2. Man, do I always hear this argument from the same people. Then I ask and the answer I get is "you find out". No, enough deflecting. Either explain yourself or GTFO because my argument is sound: the world is too big, diverse and divergent to be swayed by the decisions of a single country... and said country should care more about what happens close to home than far away from it. I know in Europe they are used to dealing with America's shit, leaders like Merkel and the like can work around some of their shit. Trump being unpredictable made that extremely hard for them and now at least that is somewhat easy, but the notion that they need to stay close to you guys is beyond me at this point? Why? 

I honestly hope Macron's call for Europe to shove everyone else off pays off and Europe doesn't go back to "business as usual" because that business is grating

1. The entire catch of the "winner takes all" election system is that people are discouraged to vote for anyone but the two big established parties, because that would be a surefire way to waste their vote.

2. There are currently four superpowers in the world: The USA, Russia, China and the EU. The USA and EU staying close to each other comes with great mutual benefits, because their values in politics and economics align much closer with each other than any other option for an alliance between superpowers.

1. So you think the issue is in reverse and first past the post encourages bipartisanship instead of the opposite, fair enough. I can see that, but the truth is no one can completely be sure just yet. 

I do hope the Ross Perot run was actually a hint at the possibility and not an anomaly though. 

2. This ignores the issue that it divides the world into four quadrants, not to mention the whole point of a relationship is the fact that there are equals involved. The EU has often been strung along instead of trying to defend its own goals. If you use the "already multipolar" definition of the world instead of the "trends multipolar" view, I can see advantages, but they ignore the existence of countries closer to home that harbor more potential for everyone involved compared to the EU and US turning into a monoblock, as that will just trigger a reaction on the other end and lead to... Cold War II: Electric Boogaloo, if we weren't already there. 

sundin13 said:
AsGryffynn said:
sundin13 said:

You do know that parties can change, right? Like, Republicans aren't stuck with their bad platform until the end of time. If they wanted to, they could just change it, but they haven't because they don't have to. You seem to be operating under the assumption that the parties will remain as they are now forever, but as soon as the Republicans see that they cannon win with their current platform, they would change it. That result would be better for the country and our democracy than just giving them a handicap so they can hold onto their shitty politics AND their power at the same time. 

You don't solve the bipartisanship though. I really want to see what happens if a third party rolls along in an EC-less US. 

I'm not sure why that has anything to do with the question at hand. Switching to a popular vote doesn't make this worse. If anything it makes it better because it forces the Republican party to move forward. There are other solutions to this issue, but the EC is not one of them so I'm not sure why it should be held up as a reason not to switch to the popular vote...

A major issue with this is that it leaves any possibility of a major game changer out: no socialist parties, no far right parties (probably for the best), nothing that deviates from "center-x" or centrism. I don't think the GOP would take the socialist banner and change the Democratic Party back into the conservative one. 

Maybe I am wrong and this will all be forgotten when President Cortez becomes a thing, but I have a sinking feeling it isn't. 

JWeinCom said:
Joe Biden is so senile that he forgot the part of the speech where he insults everyone.

Good one. 

Jpcc86 said:
Just watched Biden's speech. Welcome back to the civilized world, USA.

*Rolls eyes* Here we go again, pretending Trump was the worst president in American History when there were Presidents who literally evicted Natives from their land and experimented on minorities and prisoners. 

Welcome back to the non-Twitter world though. Most politicians don't use Twitter as a shoutbox, I'll give you that. 



AsGryffynn said:
sundin13 said:
AsGryffynn said:

You don't solve the bipartisanship though. I really want to see what happens if a third party rolls along in an EC-less US. 

I'm not sure why that has anything to do with the question at hand. Switching to a popular vote doesn't make this worse. If anything it makes it better because it forces the Republican party to move forward. There are other solutions to this issue, but the EC is not one of them so I'm not sure why it should be held up as a reason not to switch to the popular vote...

A major issue with this is that it leaves any possibility of a major game changer out: no socialist parties, no far right parties (probably for the best), nothing that deviates from "center-x" or centrism. I don't think the GOP would take the socialist banner and change the Democratic Party back into the conservative one. 

Maybe I am wrong and this will all be forgotten when President Cortez becomes a thing, but I have a sinking feeling it isn't. 

My issue with your point is that we are discussing two competing ideas but you are now bringing up something that is a con of both of them and then seemingly treating it as if its only a problem for one of them. I don't understand why we are having this conversation in the context of EC vs Popular vote and you have failed to explain how this is relevant. 

I see no real value in debating whether what you say is true (and I have my doubts) until it is established how this is relevant.



sundin13 said:
AsGryffynn said:
sundin13 said:
AsGryffynn said:

You don't solve the bipartisanship though. I really want to see what happens if a third party rolls along in an EC-less US. 

I'm not sure why that has anything to do with the question at hand. Switching to a popular vote doesn't make this worse. If anything it makes it better because it forces the Republican party to move forward. There are other solutions to this issue, but the EC is not one of them so I'm not sure why it should be held up as a reason not to switch to the popular vote...

A major issue with this is that it leaves any possibility of a major game changer out: no socialist parties, no far right parties (probably for the best), nothing that deviates from "center-x" or centrism. I don't think the GOP would take the socialist banner and change the Democratic Party back into the conservative one. 

Maybe I am wrong and this will all be forgotten when President Cortez becomes a thing, but I have a sinking feeling it isn't. 

My issue with your point is that we are discussing two competing ideas but you are now bringing up something that is a con of both of them and then seemingly treating it as if its only a problem for one of them. I don't understand why we are having this conversation in the context of EC vs Popular vote and you have failed to explain how this is relevant. 

I see no real value in debating whether what you say is true (and I have my doubts) until it is established how this is relevant.

Because my problem isn't with one or the other but the viability of either. This is relevant because the EC might be preventing the countryside population from being essentially disenfranchised in a reversal of what is the case with the GOP now. The only way out of this would be to make it so it could always go either way. 

Sadly, I don't think anyone can establish whether this is true or not because we're in uncharted territory in this regard. The EC protecting flyover country from a "tyranny of the majority" or the Popular Vote being flexible enough that the interests of said people could feasibly be represented by a president they helped win are both things that are unknowable at this point. I'm just saying it's not the magic bullet everyone believes it is in a country that was literally founded on what was called "The Great Compromise" and that would've potentially collapsed otherwise (for other reasons as well). 

Another compromise would need to happen to ensure proportional representation. The only true alternative that does this is... parliamentarism. Can't hurt the cities or countryside when the vote at the local level is tied to the Head of Government. 



Immensely refreshing to hear a positive, constructive, coherent and dignified speech about following science, healing division, encouraging cooperation, and properly addressing problems like COVID and climate change. Again, I'm not American, but if I was this is the kind of person I would want leading my country.

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Hiku said:

lol That actually made me laugh. 



Hopefully it's humanity and they didn't just turn undead.





I will never forget the completely unnecessary presidential/vicepresidential cameos in old movies. Was it really necessary when it wasn't even Trump tower? (Was it shot on site?)



Dow Jones is up nearly 2000 points.Probably in anticipation for an end to those stupid economy killing tariffs which have ground down the US manufacturing since late 2018.



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