Your comment is short and to the point, well said. I forgot to mention that's a huge reason it wont sell well, same reason why xbox X didn't sell a lot. People keep buying playstation because exclusives, even PC people will buy a ps4 just for exclusives and play 3rd party on their PCs. But xbox all games will be on PC, no exclusives at all. And it will probably cost like 600 dollars, so yeah good luck.

Read again. PS4 BC on PS5 is as native as it can get when they put the logic of PS4 into the PS5 silicon.

I find it funny, not positive. It will be funny that after sales starts people bragging will just go away just like start of current gen.

Nope, Sony didn't waive any white flag, actually PS5 is pushing it much more than PS4 did, even Cerny admitted on the deep dive (that on PS4 they gone full off-the-shelf for making it easy to program) this gen they are trying to make it even easier to program but with a lot more custom parts. Also the SSD and 3D Audio are really pushing all the boundaries. Perhaps you don't care or like or consider the only spec boundary that is relevant is TFlop.

PS2 was very good for customers even with it crushing competition to an ammount PS5 wouldn't be able to, and this gen was also great even with PS4 selling 3:1 against Xbox.

That's my point.  

They've been publicly talking about the console for nearly a year.  And yet their gamer focused message has been cloudy at best:

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/03/sonys_poor_ps5_backwards_compatibility_clarity_prompts_damning_headlines

Thus far PS5 is being presented as for the developer.  

In sharp contrast to the PS4, which day 1, as soon as they even acknowledged the existence of the PS4, presented it as a console for both developers and gamers.  

Yes I'm aware.  But that's part of the problem.  

No, it's actually the other way around. PS5 silicon was designed keeping in mind it also has to play nice with PS4 silicon. Cerny (more or less casually) mentions this in his talk. AMD (and probably Sony watching over it) had to make sure that the "new transistors" don't run havoc when they see microcode intended for old PS4 hardware. This is a bit difficult to explain as it actually constitutes a huge engineering problem. (What AMD really did I have no clues at all).

As the naive solution, the PS5 could just kill half its CUs and lower the clocks to 800MHz on the gpu side and lower the cpu clocks to maybe 6-700MHz which makes it look like the new PS5 SoC executes with the same speed as the old PS4 SoC. This will not work in many cases as the timings in the new SoC would/could be completely different. If the PS5 runs too fast, all hell could break loose because the old PS4 code was not meant to run that fast (particularly code which used gpu cycles for async compute stuff on the PS4). In that context, the "dumbest PS4 game" is probably the safest bet for full bc, because it doesn't do tricks. My guess is it's the 1% of "tricky games" that constitute 99% of all headaches. Apparently within the 100 most popular games tested, the chosen solution seems to work for almost all of them out of the box.

I haven't seen anyone on VGC bragging, the stats are what they are.

The definition of 'pushing the boundaries' has to at least consider what the boundaries are. Given the Series X is clearly significantly more powerful, the PS5 cannot be considered the boundary. You can be damn sure Cerny would have had a different focus if last week Microsoft had announced lower CPU or GPU specs, or hadn't had vapour cooling.

Not really a problem. MS just revealed XB early and yet the PS5 logo generated more buzz. NX was talked about forever but not revealed til October 2016 and we still knew almost nothing. 3 months before launch is when they gave us solid info. 52 million systems later...  . Once Sony shows a box and price it will generate more buzz than Xbox unless Sony pulls an Xbox One with odd restrictions that piss everyone off.

No you are wrong. If that was the case than 360 would have earnt a lot of brand power last gen since it was the console that set the standards. Halo outsold UC and TLOU, Forza put GT in its place and Gears was as good as God of War. Brand power isn't the sole reason the PS4 was successful, the fact its direct competitors slipped over was a major piggy back for the PS4 to sell, it wasn't just the X1 but the WiiU as well. That's a double win for the PS4 knowing that it basically went in with no threats. If we swapped the PR slip up, the Kinect and price point on both X1 and PS4 than expect the X1 to have outsold the PS4 like the PS4 outsold the X1. Marketing was a huge selling point for the PS4 over the X1. At launch X1 had the exclusives and due to the bad PR, no one cared about the games.

I'm sorry?

Defend what? I'm having a convo on WHEN info is being dropped, now HOW the info is being presented.

Your fanboyism is showing.

If Xbox didn't win any brand power with the X360 it would've flopped even harder this gen. I think you're vastly overestimating the popularity of xbox exclusives. Playstation wins out in sheer quantity and quality of its games. Just look at the charts. Xbox was very much competitive at the start of the gen and then dropped off hard after it stopped actually supplying the console with interesting games. That happened in all 3 of their console generations and there is no reason to believe it won't be the same in the next.