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My understanding is that more CU's with a slower clockrate usually beats less CU's with a higher clockrate even with equal flops, and XSX has a nearly 2 tflop advantage. On top of that, the PS5 is using boost clocks to arrive at their figures, so there will be times when it is outputting less power than advertised, if the system starts to get too hot. So yeah, XSX definitely has the technical advantage, except for PS5 having a faster SSD.

Now if we're talking sales, obviously Sony has the advantage due to a much strong worldwide presence and an already established quality 1st party. That being said, Xbox is a in a much better situation sales wise than they were this gen; they didn't botch the reveal (quite the opposite in fact), they have the specs crown with XSX (and will also have the cheapest next-gen console if Series S is real), and their 1st party for next-gen is looking way stronger than it was for XB1, thanks to multiple studio acquisitions and hiring sprees. I think that will be enough for MS to take back the US and possibly the UK, while also gaining some ground in mainland Europe and the rest of the world.



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shikamaru317 said:

My understanding is that more CU's with a slower clockrate usually beats less CU's with a higher clockrate even with equal flops, and XSX has a nearly 2 tflop advantage. On top of that, the PS5 is using boost clocks to arrive at their figures, so there will be times when it is outputting less power than advertised, if the system starts to get too hot. So yeah, XSX definitely has the technical advantage, except for PS5 having a faster SSD.

Now if we're talking sales, obviously Sony has the advantage due to a much strong worldwide presence and an already established quality 1st party. That being said, Xbox is a in a much better situation sales wise than they were this gen; they didn't botch the reveal (quite the opposite in fact), they have the specs crown with XSX (and will also have the cheapest next-gen console if Series S is real), and their 1st party for next-gen is looking way stronger than it was for XB1, thanks to multiple studio acquisitions and hiring sprees. I think that will be enough for MS to take back the US and possibly the UK, while also gaining some ground in mainland Europe and the rest of the world.

So you got your understanding wrong, yes XSX will be more powerful. But the higher clock benefits more than the higher CU count (look DF analysis), surely it won't cover the difference of CUs that large (36 vs 52 or something like that). PS5 won't have problem with temperature, it will work the same on the fridge or hot cabinet. The fluctuation on the frequency will be small percentage to up to 10% saving on power consumption, because power will be constant (as will be heat generation on the unit) so when you get near the limit on CPU it may drop the GPU a little.

Proper reveal haven't occured yet if we look at the number of people reacting and hyping to both. But yes I do expect formal reveal and 1st party games for Xbox to be much better this time around.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Well blast processing was never a thing i honestly cared about, so id take the power over speed.



DonFerrari said:
shikamaru317 said:

My understanding is that more CU's with a slower clockrate usually beats less CU's with a higher clockrate even with equal flops, and XSX has a nearly 2 tflop advantage. On top of that, the PS5 is using boost clocks to arrive at their figures, so there will be times when it is outputting less power than advertised, if the system starts to get too hot. So yeah, XSX definitely has the technical advantage, except for PS5 having a faster SSD.

Now if we're talking sales, obviously Sony has the advantage due to a much strong worldwide presence and an already established quality 1st party. That being said, Xbox is a in a much better situation sales wise than they were this gen; they didn't botch the reveal (quite the opposite in fact), they have the specs crown with XSX (and will also have the cheapest next-gen console if Series S is real), and their 1st party for next-gen is looking way stronger than it was for XB1, thanks to multiple studio acquisitions and hiring sprees. I think that will be enough for MS to take back the US and possibly the UK, while also gaining some ground in mainland Europe and the rest of the world.

So you got your understanding wrong, yes XSX will be more powerful. But the higher clock benefits more than the higher CU count (look DF analysis), surely it won't cover the difference of CUs that large (36 vs 52 or something like that). PS5 won't have problem with temperature, it will work the same on the fridge or hot cabinet. The fluctuation on the frequency will be small percentage to up to 10% saving on power consumption, because power will be constant (as will be heat generation on the unit) so when you get near the limit on CPU it may drop the GPU a little.

Proper reveal haven't occured yet if we look at the number of people reacting and hyping to both. But yes I do expect formal reveal and 1st party games for Xbox to be much better this time around.

Must be a benefit of the newer RDNA 2 architecture then. I remember older DF videos where they compared overclocked GPU's with the next GPU tier up with stock clock rates, and even though flops wise the overclocked GPU was a match for the larger GPU with slower clocks, the larger slower GPU was faster in real game performance. 



shikamaru317 said:
DonFerrari said:

So you got your understanding wrong, yes XSX will be more powerful. But the higher clock benefits more than the higher CU count (look DF analysis), surely it won't cover the difference of CUs that large (36 vs 52 or something like that). PS5 won't have problem with temperature, it will work the same on the fridge or hot cabinet. The fluctuation on the frequency will be small percentage to up to 10% saving on power consumption, because power will be constant (as will be heat generation on the unit) so when you get near the limit on CPU it may drop the GPU a little.

Proper reveal haven't occured yet if we look at the number of people reacting and hyping to both. But yes I do expect formal reveal and 1st party games for Xbox to be much better this time around.

Must be a benefit of the newer RDNA 2 architecture then. I remember older DF videos where they compared overclocked GPU's with the next GPU tier up with stock clock rates, and even though flops wise the overclocked GPU was a match for the larger GPU with slower clocks, the larger slower GPU was faster in real game performance. 

Well they didn't choose real world performance and since Sony choose the route of higher frequency sure they will say it is the better one, to be sure we will need to wait. But on the conference he explained why the higher frequency even if getting same tflop would give a better performance across the board. DF didn't seem to disagree and were very pleased and surprised by how high they gone.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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thismeintiel said:
I doubt many will be switching systems next gen. I think Sony has a $399 price in mind for PS5, repeating the successful model of the PS4. My guess is that the XSX is going to be $499-$549. EU and Japan will still be Sony's to lose, while US and UK will be probably be a close battle. In the end, it will come down to what it always does, games, games, and more games.

Hahaha mate, go learn about tech before commenting, 400dollars? Did you even see the new SSD and audio chip? Those things are expensive, minimum of minum 450dollars if sony will take a loss, if they don't want a loss then 500dollars. Xbox will be minimum 550dollars, and that already a huge loss, it has vapor cooling, 12tf graphics, great processor, great ram, ssd, the module design, etc



(Lockhart - $299)
PS5 - $499
XBSX - $599

I can't see PS5 being any less than $449 with a sub, so I'd guess they stick with $499 and try and make Lockhart or last gen look extremely inferior. I think PS5 ends up 2:1 against both XB consoles. If by chance Lockhart doesn't show up, then 3:1 if not worse.

If both consoles end up $399 and $499 somehow, I will be stunned.



in 2014 around the release of ps4 you could actually build a pc comarable to the ps4 für 400€. for somehow comparable speccs to the ps5, you would need around 900€ no way it will be 400€ I think even 500€ is too low. unless amd release much more powerful and cheap gpus next year.



victor83fernandes said:
thismeintiel said:
I doubt many will be switching systems next gen. I think Sony has a $399 price in mind for PS5, repeating the successful model of the PS4. My guess is that the XSX is going to be $499-$549. EU and Japan will still be Sony's to lose, while US and UK will be probably be a close battle. In the end, it will come down to what it always does, games, games, and more games.

Hahaha mate, go learn about tech before commenting, 400dollars? Did you even see the new SSD and audio chip? Those things are expensive, minimum of minum 450dollars if sony will take a loss, if they don't want a loss then 500dollars. Xbox will be minimum 550dollars, and that already a huge loss, it has vapor cooling, 12tf graphics, great processor, great ram, ssd, the module design, etc

How about we try not to be dickish?  No one said anything about them breaking even at $399.  Of course they would be taking a $50+ loss, but that is still something Sony would be fine with doing.

EricHiggin said:

(Lockhart - $299)
PS5 - $499
XBSX - $599

I can't see PS5 being any less than $449 with a sub, so I'd guess they stick with $499 and try and make Lockhart or last gen look extremely inferior. I think PS5 ends up 2:1 against both XB consoles. If by chance Lockhart doesn't show up, then 3:1 if not worse.

If both consoles end up $399 and $499 somehow, I will be stunned.

Well, we already know Japan gives them a 8M-9M advantage.  EU should go big in Sony's favor, as usual.  NA and the UK, I can see it being pretty damn close.  Unless the launch prices are something like $399 vs $599.  In that case, MS can brag about power all they want, it won't help them.  Of course, you also have the fact that Sony will still have games that you can't get anywhere else. 

As for realistic prices, I could definitely see Sony taking a $50-$100 hit to land at a $399 price point.  This will be a very important gen for them, and PS is one of the largest pillars for the company.  They need it to succeed.  Definitely can't see them going above $449.  MS, on the other hand, are going to sell this thing as close to cost as possible.  That's why I can see it going for anywhere from $499-$599, depending on how much it sctually costs to make.



If you're talking in terms of sales then there's a 99% chance that PlayStation will win. But that's nothing to do with power or speed, it's just because of Europe.

In terms of which I'd prefer? Well that would obviously be the PS5. Although in all honesty I'm probably gonna stick with my PS3/PS4 for at least another year, maybe 2. I don't really feel any need for a new console right now.

Last edited by Ka-pi96 - on 18 March 2020