Exactly, why would you do that? Why would you play the same game at 10x worse graphics on a 50x smaller screen? For gamers like ourselves, we buy several consoles and maybe even PC, so why playing the worse version by far, that on the switch will cost you more money? Makes no sense,

The switch is good as a portable, with dedicated portable games, made to be played on small screens, and also main console Nintendo exclusives.

The switch was more of a home console than a portable one, for starters, 2 hours battery on Zelda will not be very portable, then, the 3ds is still in the market and games still release for it, on the other hand the wiiU has been abandoned years ago.

The switch 2, yeah, when that comes, the ps5 will have at least 5x the power, and developers will have been learning it for years by then. 

I never understand this philosophy of gamers like you who do not want the best they could have, if you could have way more power and graphics, why be happy with much less? Youll be paying a lot of money for the device and games, so why not DEMAND the best you could have?

Personally I'd be happier If Nintendo kept the portable and the home console separate. They could learn from their mistakes with wiiU and have built a fantastic console that could be giving us for the past 3 years the best graphics on 3rd party games, which would attract more gamers, and also more developers.

By the looks of it, come next gen the switch will be back to what Nintendo always does, a dedicated Nintendo exclusives console when it could in fact be the primary gaming device for the hardcore gamers like myself.

Even within the switch itself without comparing with other consoles, I wouldn't play in portable mode, because I already experienced it with a 100inch screen and my 1000dollars sound system. The experience is exponentially better on the large screen with a better controller. Specially when videogames is all about immersion. Maybe people playing on a 32inch TV cant imagine this.

All in all, in my opinion portable consoles should have been done with 3DS as the last one. Because everyone already has a powerful portable in their pockets (mobile phones) without needing to carry an extra device.

Think about it, do you really have 2 or 3 hours to play out of the house? I barely get 30 min free, maybe my break from work which I use to have lunch and a coffee, no time to play for long. And then I finish work, I drive home or go out with friends, and no one is going to go out to socialize and be playing consoles at the bar, I never saw it and I guess will never happen. Other situations out of the house, when I go the gymn, the intensity is too high to concentrate on playing games.

For the quick gaming fix, there's phones with simple games.

You could say witcher 3 is amazing portable, and I would say its horrible, it destroys the experience and greatness of it. I wouldn't want it even for free in portable mode. You can even barely read the menus and options. I'd rather play that in 4K on my 100inch projector with no reflections from the day light, not worrying about battery or ambient noises.

You shouldn't have to think It will outsell the 3ds, its 100% certainty it will, no matter what, its already at 52 million and its not even 3 years into its lifespan. 3DS sold less than 80 million and not selling much at all now.

Actually 103 million would already be a huge achievement for Nintendo, it would be their best selling home console ever. They have been selling home consoles since 83, that's almost 37 years.

You honestly believe the switch will be selling 20 million after 5 years? Sure it can happen this year but after that it will drop in sales a lot. Are you forgetting the DS sold 155 million? You think its possible for the switch to sell another 103 million in the next 4 years? When most fans already bought one? And when the next big thing now is the new consoles? The reason the switch is outselling the ps4 is because people are waiting for the ps5, so most people who wanted one already got it, and the rest will not invest in a device that will become outdated in 9 months time.

Most surprisingly I find it unbelievable that someone thinks Nintendo wont release a new console in the next 4 years, making the switch sales drop real hard.

I really want Nintendo to succeed, I'm the only person I know of that has bought all Nintendo consoles, NES, SNES, N64, gamecube, Wii, WIIU and Switch and GB, GB advance, DS, 3DS, new 3DS XL so I really love Nintendo but I am realistic.

Your point is pretty moot because yourself and those with similar gaming preferences are actually a very small sample of the console-buying public. You need to look at the bigger picture. Most console buyers don't even frequent gaming forums such as this. It's the domain of the most hardcore of gamers. Joe public will make up the vast majority of the console buying public(and by extension, Switch purchasers) in any given generation and guess what? Not only do they not even post on forums such as this. In fact a huge number of them aren't even aware of their existence. Joe Public will buy 3rd party games for the systems they own, oblivious of its technical shortcomings or not. Anyway, those that are aware and care greatly would probably be PC gamers anyway, so would buy the absolute best version on their gaming rigs. Still wouldn't stop them from buying a Switch in addition though, as if they have any fondness for Nintendo IP's, then the Switch is the only way to play them and looking at the top SW sales for the Switch fortifies that reasoning.

Perhaps you are reading from a different POV (I actually agree with your point though).

I believe he is talking about a subset of people (that do exist in VGC) that have a PC/PS4Pro/X1X and already bought and played let's say Witcher 3 to the end, and gone and bought it again for Switch to play on the go, and he is challenging that. I can understand both the person that have a long commute and like to use his Switch on that and people that want the best performance possible. But I to have a hard time validating rebuying the game just to play it on a small screen with a lot of noise and interruption. If it was me (I don't because I drive my car instead of enjoying public transportation) I would play some of the exclusives of Switch on the go (the ones where 30min session would be satisfying) others on the dock and everything else on the other system I have (talking about people that have more than 1 system).

I agree for the most part. Just the part about Japan's sales doesn't really seem all that justified considering how frontloaded the DS was there. Switch should be catching up starting this year as the sales came down quite a bit in it's 4th year while the Switch is still climbing, coronavirus notwithstanding. If it can fully catch up there, that's another question, but the gap should start to shrink this year. Same goes for your comparison with the 3DS in Japan, which the Switch is close to guaranteed by now to overtake considering how the 3DS dropped off in his 4th year, too. I do expect Switch to land around 27-32M LT sales in Japan, which wouldn't be far behind the DS's total.

Just one thing that could play in the Switch's favor though that you possibly missed or just forgot to mention: The fact that console generations are getting longer. It could result into the Switch having a longer shelf life than the DS did, meaning it could creep up on the DS to the end of it's career when DS sales were already very low. DS had 6 very good years but dropped off like a rock afterwards; if the Switch could sell for, say, 7 good years (15M+ each year until 2023 included) and a slower decline afterwards, it could do it.

But like you said, chances are extremely slim. Without a shelf life similar to that of the Gameboy or the NES, I don't think Switch could do it.

Maybe you're right and I just misread the POV. I just thought that, considering this thread is about sales that his point was justifying why sales couldn't  reach a certain level but maybe I am seeing it wrong :P

That's bait, but I'll bite.

Same could be said about the XBO and PS4, which were equivalent to low-to-mid-range PCs at best during their release. A netbook CPU, a downclocked low-to-mid-range GPU from years ago (Radeon HD 7xxx released in January 2012, so 21 months old compared to the 25 of the X1; XBO and PS4 have about the same power as a 7770 and 7790 respectively, two of the smallest GCN chips). Compared to a halfway decent gaming PC, PS4 and XBO were just as underpowered at their release as the Switch is compared to them- just the latter is portable, which gives it a good reason to be much less powerful.

Oh, and the NVidia Shield also clocks down to Switch speed under load. Nintendo just made it the standard clock speed for power-saving reasons, otherwise the battery would have drained even faster.

Yep, lack of power, 3rd party games having better graphics in other consoles or several AAA ports not being made won't really be what decides if/when Switch pass 100M or reach 120M sales.