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the other side of the coronavirus:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/07/09/about-14-million-children-in-the-us-are-not-getting-enough-to-eat/

"Since the first week in June, the US Census Bureau has asked households that reported having insufficient food whether it was often, sometimes, or never true that in the last 7 days the children (under 18 years old) living in your household “were not eating enough because we just couldn’t afford enough food.” 16.5 percent of households with children reported that it was sometimes or often the case that the children were not eating enough due to a lack of resources during the week of June 18-23 2020, 5.5 times the 2018 rate of 3 percent (the most recent annual data from the Current Population Survey)."

"These high rates of child food insecurity should not be confused with the even higher share of food insecure households with children (27,5%) ; these households may but do not necessarily have food insecure children because parents buffer children from deprivation if able. This means that last month, in about two-thirds of food insecure households with children, there was evidence of child food insecurity."

Theres basically parents that starve themselves to fed their children....

"17.4 percent of mothers with children 12 and under reported that since the pandemic began, “the children in my household were not eating enough because we just couldn’t afford enough food.”

"Household Pulse Survey (CHHPS) to address this knowledge gap. Beginning the week of June 4, households that reported having insufficient food were asked whether it was often, sometimes, or never true that in the last 7 days the children (under 18 years old) living in your household “were not eating enough because we just couldn’t afford enough food.” This is a substantively similar question to the one posed in the Survey of Mothers with Young Children and in the Current Population Survey Food Security Supplement (FSS)."

"In June 2020, around 16 percent of households with children reported that their children were not eating enough over the last week due to a lack of resources. While the overall rate is the highest on record, Black and Hispanic children are experiencing food insecurity at even higher and extremely alarming rates. About three in ten Black households with children and one in four Hispanic households with children did not have sufficient food due to a lack of resources in June 2020."

"Conclusion: In this piece, I present new evidence that almost 18 percent of children in the US did not have sufficient food as recently as the third week in June. The level of needs merits a substantial and immediate public investment."

Thats more drastic than I thought it would be.
Real world consequences of a shut down economy... hopefully goverment steps in and helps struggeling familes.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 11 July 2020

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JRPGfan said:

Almost 72,000 cases yesterday and theres still americans that refuse to wear a mask, even when given one for free, and explained that you only need to wear it, while your shopping amoung a crowd of people, so you dont infect others....

"One of the most alarming symptoms of the virus is its propensity to mentally regress senior citizens into toddlers."

Hahahaha.... that line, with the video.
Still something tells me, she was the same way back when she was 30, as she is now as a 77 year old.
Its a childish temper tantrum, is what it is.

Is there much mask-use in Denmark?



Nothing to see here, move along

melbye said:
JRPGfan said:

Almost 72,000 cases yesterday and theres still americans that refuse to wear a mask, even when given one for free, and explained that you only need to wear it, while your shopping amoung a crowd of people, so you dont infect others....

"One of the most alarming symptoms of the virus is its propensity to mentally regress senior citizens into toddlers."

Hahahaha.... that line, with the video.
Still something tells me, she was the same way back when she was 30, as she is now as a 77 year old.
Its a childish temper tantrum, is what it is.

Is there much mask-use in Denmark?

Barely any. 
(in the start, during lockdowns, we did have like maybe atmost half (probably less) useing a mask when out shopping, now its like nothing, noone wears a mask)

We went against mask usage (ei. its too expensive (high quality ones), we dont have enough, leave what we have for our medical professionals).
We did a very strick lockdown, until we had really low numbers, and now we re just trying really hard to adhere to safety rules (so things dont spilke up again). In generally I think danes are good at respecting each others public space, and keeping distance to others, and we re good with hand washing, and staying away from people if you "think" you might have something (we try hard not to infect others).

Basically the shutdown did all the work, the rest is just reopening in a safe manner, so it doesn't flair up again.
(no half measures, you lockdown, you lockdown, and stay that way until its served its purpose, and make damn sure you dont squander the benefits it gave (its expensive to shutdown). All safety measures, need to be followed by everyone as you gradually step by step open up in a responsible way)

America doesnt need the mask if it doesnt want them.
You guys can go into a 2-3month nation wide shutdown again, as a way to deal with the high numbers instead.


So its basically a simple formula of:

1) lockdown as long as needed, dont quit halfways through, because its hard or costing too much.

2) everyone is in this together, so everyone needs to ahere to the safety measures recammended by to us.  This virus only spreads via peoples actions.

3) make sure you reopen really slowly, and measuredly (keep a eye on things, pace it out, see what works and doesnt), and dont willy-nilly reopen anything without some form of measures to prevent spread in place (atleast at the start).

If you do it right, your in a decent'ish spot afterwards.
Even without mask wearing.

4) lots of testing, easily accesiable, and with quick results sent back to the person(s), so they can know to avoid infecting others.
(basically, if you first get results like a week or two lateron, the test is a waste, because the person that needed to know, never did get to do so, in time to stop infecting others) (for tests to mean anything (in terms of stopping spread), you need results back within a day or two)

Everyone (countries) that wants too, can do a lockdown.
What I think danes did well is the 2) and 3) parts.
We understand theres a social contract, that you act not just in your own intrests but in others, you dont want to spread this thing.
We did a semi decent re-opening.

*new edit:
Dispite the no mask thing, and our reopening of most things....

Currently theres ~259 active confirmed covid19 cases in the country.
Theres 17 people hospitalised, and 4 people in the ICU.

It looks like hospitalisations and ICU bed, are still dropping (though slowly), same with the active cases of covid19.

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JRPGfan said:

Thats more drastic than I thought it would be.
Real world consequences of a shut down economy... hopefully goverment steps in and helps struggeling familes.

You mean real world consequences of a fucked up social/welfare system.

With a functioning social/welfare system, there wouldn't be any reason why these families wouldn't have enough money for food, especially in a rich country like the USA



Conina said:
JRPGfan said:

Thats more drastic than I thought it would be.
Real world consequences of a shut down economy... hopefully goverment steps in and helps struggeling familes.

You mean real world consequences of a fucked up social/welfare system.

With a functioning social/welfare system, there wouldn't be any reason why these families wouldn't have enough money for food, especially in a rich country like the USA

I have no idea what those same numbers would be like in denmark.
Supposedly in denmark we used around ~11% of a families budget on food (on avg, with the less well off?), with a family of 4 (2 parents, 2 kids).
And its around 1000 kr/month for food pr person (~150$ USD).

Here we also have rich and poor, but our poorest usually arnt starveing (even if they have a tight budget).
Atleast this is what I believe to be true, but I dont actually know.



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JRPGfan said:
Conina said:

You mean real world consequences of a fucked up social/welfare system.

With a functioning social/welfare system, there wouldn't be any reason why these families wouldn't have enough money for food, especially in a rich country like the USA

I have no idea what those same numbers would be like in denmark.
Supposedly in denmark we used around ~11% of a families budget on food (on avg, with the less well off?), with a family of 4 (2 parents, 2 kids).
And its around 1000 kr/month for food pr person (~150$ USD).

Here we also have rich and poor, but our poorest usually arnt starveing (even if they have a tight budget).
Atleast this is what I believe to be true, but I dont actually know.

Canada still has food insecurity problems as well
https://proof.utoronto.ca/food-insecurity/

Out of total 37 million people. It's likely worse now here as well since many kids relied on school lunches and food banks got shut down and got far fewer donations.

It's also not equal here, indiginous and black people report over 28% are dealing with food insecurity while only 11% of those self identifying as white.
It's especially bad in the North, 78.7% of the children in Nunavut live in food-insecure households
65% of those dealing with food insecurity have regular income from a job but the wages are too low.

Better assistance is probably cheaper in the long run for Canada since health care is free here:


The best way to fix it is to raise the minimum wage and social assistance

It would pay itself back in reduced health care costs.


More recent data

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-s-food-insecurity-problem-is-about-to-get-worse-due-to-covid-19-experts-say-1.5006252

According to a survey done in May by Statistics Canada, almost one in seven (14.6 percent) Canadians indicated that they lived in a household where food insecurity was a problem. This number is up from 10.5 percent just two years ago.



Here's some info on Denmark

https://www.eurodiaconia.org/2019/05/kirkens-korshaer-food-insecurity-on-the-rise-in-denmark/
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-01/uoc-pof011019.php
"The precise extent of food insecurity in Denmark should be explored further. But, from our study and data from the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, we can say that at least 4-5 % of Danish households experience insecure access to food, the equivalent of approximately 100,000 households.Jan 10, 2019



To put it in perspective, severe food insecurity above means going up to a few days without food. Moderate means not getting adequate nutrition while marginally means worrying about being able to get enough food.

Compared to the rest of the world North America and Europe are at less than 2.5% for serious undernourishment with Easter Africa over 30%.
http://www.fao.org/state-of-food-security-nutrition



Nothing to do with Covid-19 but talk about not getting the hint

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-mobster-pat-musitano-shot-to-death-in-broad-daylight-at-burlington-plaza-1.5019341

Convicted mobster Pasquale (Pat) Musitano was shot to death in broad daylight at a plaza in Burlington, Ont. on Friday afternoon. The deceased male has since been identified by police as Pat. He was 52 years old. Pat was a well-known fixture of Ontario’s organized crime scene for many years.

Pat and his brother Angelo were charged with first-degree murder in the 1997 deaths of Hamilton mob boss Johnny “Pops” Papalia and his underboss Carmen Barillaro. The hitman who pleaded guilty in both shootings said the Musitano brothers had ordered the killings. The brothers pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit murder in Barillaro’s death as part of a plea deal and the charges relating to Papalia’s death were withdrawn.

The brothers were sentenced to 10 years behind bars in 2000 and were released from prison in 2006.

On May 2, 2017, Angelo was fatally gunned down while sitting in his vehicle in the driveway of his home in Hamilton, Ont.’s Waterdown neighbourhood. He was 39 years old.

Meanwhile, Pat’s vehicle was torched in his driveway back in 2015 and a month after Angelo was killed Pat’s home was sprayed with bullets.

Pat was targeted once again last year. He was shot on April 25, 2019 in a Mississauga, Ont. parking lot while leaving his lawyer’s office at around 7 a.m.

The family’s patriarch, Pat and Angelo’s uncle, Tony Musitano died of natural causes at the age of 72 in April 2019. He was described as a former mobster.


Sounds like a good movie.



The WHO is finally admitting sars-cov-2 is airborne

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/indoor-airborne-spread-of-coronavirus-possible-who-1.5019109

The World Health Organization is acknowledging the possibility that COVID-19 might be spread in the air under certain conditions -- after more than 200 scientists urged the agency to do so.

WHO has long dismissed the possibility that the coronavirus is spread in the air except for certain risky medical procedures, such as when patients are first put on breathing machines.

In a change to its previous thinking, WHO noted on Thursday that studies evaluating COVID-19 outbreaks in restaurants, choir practices and fitness classes suggested the virus might have been spread in the air. Airborne spread "particularly in specific indoor locations, such as crowded and inadequately ventilated spaces over a prolonged period of time with infected persons cannot be ruled out," WHO said.



And while eating indoors in restaurants is still off the table here, my dad, his sister, my sister and her kid were all happily dining in, in South Limburg yesterday (The Netherlands) on holiday for a couple weeks. I guess there are no worries in the Netherlands. (And eating in restaurants takes forever in Holland. One of the biggest culture shocks coming to Canada was actually getting waited on and not have to frantically try to get the attention of a waiter for half an hour lol)



https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
July7th-10th projected deaths: 2631
Actual deaths: 3692



JRPGfan said:

the other side of the coronavirus:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/07/09/about-14-million-children-in-the-us-are-not-getting-enough-to-eat/

Who would've guessed that Trump is fighting child obesity better than Michelle Obama ever could.



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