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SvennoJ said:

Part of the recent new outbreaks in Japan:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/dozens-of-u-s-marines-in-japan-s-okinawa-get-coronavirus-1.5020248

Dozens of U.S. Marines at two bases on the southern Japanese island of Okinawa have been infected with the coronavirus in what is feared to be a massive outbreak, Okinawa's governor said Saturday, demanding an adequate explanation from the U.S. military.

Gov. Denny Tamaki said he could say only that a "few dozen" cases had been found recently because the U.S. military asked that the exact figure not be released. The outbreaks occurred at Marine Corps. Air Station Futenma, which is at the centre of a relocation dispute, and Camp Hansen, Tamaki said.

Local media, citing unnamed sources, said about 60 people had been infected. "Okinawans are shocked by what we were told (by the U.S. military)," Tamaki told a news conference. "We now have strong doubts that the U.S. military has taken adequate disease prevention measures."

Okinawa is home to more than half of about 50,000 American troops based in Japan under a bilateral security pact, and the residents are sensitive to U.S. base-related problems. Many Okinawans have long complained about pollution, noise and crime related to U.S. bases.


Okinawa has about 150 cases of the coronavirus. In all, Japan has about 21,000 cases and 1,000 deaths, with Tokyo reporting more than 200 new cases for a third straight day Saturday.

Why are there 50,000 American troops in Japan?

to boost xbox sales in japan



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Did you guys know that in 24 states in the USA they dont report "possible or propable" covid19 deaths?
(if a doctor exsamens someone, or looks though a list of symptoms before their deaths, and think it likely it was covid19, they arn't markted as such, unless they had a test before they died)

In NYC in area's that was sometimes 20-30% of their deaths to covid.

The real amount of deaths in the USA to covid19 is probably higher than its 138,200+ reported numbers.
(possibly another +11,000-16,000 deaths, actually due to covid19, not counted because people died before getting tested)

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 14 July 2020

JRPGfan said:

Did you guys know that in 24 states in the USA they dont report "possible or propable" covid19 deaths?
(if a doctor exsamens someone, or looks though a list of symptoms before their deaths, and think it likely it was covid19, they arn't markted as such, unless they had a test before they died)

In NYC in area's that was sometimes 20-30% of their deaths to covid.

The real amount of deaths in the USA to covid19 is probably higher than its 138,200+ reported numbers.
(possibly another +11,000-16,000 deaths, actually due to covid19, not counted because people died before getting tested)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

The current absolute lowest possible number for uncounted covid deaths is 18k.



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It seems no further efforts will be made to eliminate the virus here, keeping it low, preparing for a second wave and living with Sars-Cov-2 until a successful vaccine is readily available. Which could be a while:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/full-coronavirus-vaccine-unlikely-by-next-year-expert-1.5021224

PARIS -- There is little chance of a 100-per cent effective coronavirus vaccine by 2021, a French expert warned Sunday, urging people to take social distancing measures more seriously. "A vaccine is several years in development," said epidemiologist Arnaud Fontanet, a member of the team of scientists advising the government on the crisis, speaking on BFMTV television. "Of course, there is an unprecedented effort to develop a vaccine, but I would be very surprised if we had that was effective in 2021," he added.

The rest of 2020 is going to suck, likely into summer next year :/ Home schooling alternated with going to school (alternating weekly or 2 days one week, 3 days the other) is what the next school year is going to look like. Only Norway and New Zealand seem to have gotten rid of it next to some smaller nations.

Most business will be back open on Friday, still over 100 new cases daily in phase 2, the ones that go in to get tested. At least the border closure has been extended for another month, to August 21st.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-u-s-agree-to-keep-borders-closed-another-30-days-sources-1.5023287

Not all that closed though, again 2 Americans fined for violating the quarantine act
https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/two-floridians-fined-for-violating-the-quarantine-act-in-northeastern-ontario-1.5023603



The Cannabis study made some progress
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/are-new-cannabis-strains-key-to-fighting-covid-19-these-alta-researchers-think-so-1.5018962

So far, they have found about a dozen that are able to “substantially decrease the expression of the ACE2 receptor, the one that is required by the virus to enter our cells,” he told CTV’s Your Morning Friday.

Two or three strains developed in the Kovalchuks’ lab and tested on human tissue models can decrease that receptor’s acceptance of the virus – essentially closing the door to infection – by 75 per cent or more, said Igor Kovalchuk. That gives the body a much better chance of fighting the viral invader.

Strains the scientists are working with are cannabidiol (CBD)-predominant. That means they have high presence of the medicinal ingredient of cannabis and relatively little of the tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), which is the psychoactive component of cannabis that causes a high.

The next big step is real-world testing of the cannabis strains that have performed well in the lab, says Olga Kovalchuk. “Right now, what’s most important for us is to actually find partnerships and develop clinical trials.”

The researchers have not tested smoking cannabis and say none of the strains they are studying are available for sale at local cannabis shops.



My county just voted on mandatory mask use, motion passed with a vote of 6 to 5. So for the next 30 days (for now) mask use will be mandatory in Brantford / Brant county for everyone 5 years or older. Good, now I can go to the chiropractor again, my back has been acting up this week. Dunno yet when it will be enacted though, the vote was 2 minutes ago.



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Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

What? Your doings are justification, and mine are not, because...? Ah. I see now.

Anything for you, your moral highness..

Do I need to explain what an essential worker is? I got time to kill.

Hiku said:
EricHiggin said:

And when the power goes out to a hospital, and the back up generators unfortunately don't fire up, who get's up in the middle of the night and does what's necessary to get the power back up asap for those needy people? Or maybe an old folks home in the middle of the freezing winter or dead heat of summer. Gotta fix the pole line in this case? Mother nature doesn't care. The storm ain't going anywhere, so save yourself, them, or try to do both as safely as possible. Sometimes all don't get saved, and sometimes the help goes along with them.

Luckily for Earth there's more than just one superhero..

Though I, respect that you do what you do.

It's July 13. Where do you get your news if you still don't understand that essential workers are still working during a pendemic, even if there's a lockdown?

JRPGfan said:
Pemalite said:

Do I need to explain what an essential worker is? I got time to kill.

DeSantis says WWC wrestlers are! so it must be true!
Wrestle mania here I come. Also a fantastic time to reopen Disney World, and Schools.

Better time than people, I always say.

I'll save you the time, by pointing out that it's about what's essential to the individual first, and the community second. The question you aren't asking is, is the job essential to me? If the answer to that happens to be no, as in I don't so much require the money, then you can't help but ask why am I doing it then, or more importantly, why have I gone back to that sector of work again? Maybe it potentially has to do with my morals? Considering trades aren't exactly a dime a dozen, the more specialized one's even beyond that, and what they provide tends to be deemed as necessity in today's world.

Maybe just maybe there's a teeny tiny spark of light somewhere among all that darkness.

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    • THE SPEAKER: You must push back the Darkness. Guardians are fighting on Earth and beyond. Join them. Your Ghost will guide you. I only hope he chose wisely.
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    JRPGfan said:

    Did you guys know that in 24 states in the USA they dont report "possible or propable" covid19 deaths?
    (if a doctor exsamens someone, or looks though a list of symptoms before their deaths, and think it likely it was covid19, they arn't markted as such, unless they had a test before they died)

    In NYC in area's that was sometimes 20-30% of their deaths to covid.

    The real amount of deaths in the USA to covid19 is probably higher than its 138,200+ reported numbers.
    (possibly another +11,000-16,000 deaths, actually due to covid19, not counted because people died before getting tested)

    Not shocked at all. Based on Trump comments, it seems that they're going to do whatever they can to keep reports low for political reasons. It's sad that this sort of thing happens.

    But what's even more sad is Trump's messaging, declaring the US has among the best numbers in the world. Has no one told him that high numbers are NOT the best when talking about a deadly pandemic!



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    Jumpin said:
    JRPGfan said:

    Did you guys know that in 24 states in the USA they dont report "possible or propable" covid19 deaths?
    (if a doctor exsamens someone, or looks though a list of symptoms before their deaths, and think it likely it was covid19, they arn't markted as such, unless they had a test before they died)

    In NYC in area's that was sometimes 20-30% of their deaths to covid.

    The real amount of deaths in the USA to covid19 is probably higher than its 138,200+ reported numbers.
    (possibly another +11,000-16,000 deaths, actually due to covid19, not counted because people died before getting tested)

    Not shocked at all. Based on Trump comments, it seems that they're going to do whatever they can to keep reports low for political reasons. It's sad that this sort of thing happens.

    But what's even more sad is Trump's messaging, declaring the US has among the best numbers in the world. Has no one told him that high numbers are NOT the best when talking about a deadly pandemic!

    I'm pretty sure what Trump is doing to tout low fatality numbers is to take the current daily death rate divided by the current daily new cases. When you look at it that way the "fatality rate" has gone down almost a factor of ten according to him. Checking this myself you can see that our highest death rate was around April 21st with 2700 deaths with 26,000 new cases or a little over 10% while it's been as low as 600 deaths with 46,000 new cases (a little over 1%). I would be curious who around him clued him into this math trick that makes rising case counts a good thing. 



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    Hiku said:
    EricHiggin said:

    Better time than people, I always say.

    I'll save you the time, by pointing out that it's about what's essential to the individual first, and the community second. The question you aren't asking is, is the job essential to me? If the answer to that happens to be no, as in I don't so much require the money, then you can't help but ask why am I doing it then, or more importantly, why have I gone back to that sector of work again? Maybe it potentially has to do with my morals? Considering trades aren't exactly a dime a dozen, the more specialized one's even beyond that, and what they provide tends to be deemed as necessity in today's world.

    I was asking why you were making a point of there being a power outage at the hospital, as if you don't understand that a power plant is considered essential, and would always be in operation.

    And no, the term 'essential workers' is not about the individual first. Or at all. It's work deemed necessary to meet basic needs of human survival and well-being — food, health, safety and sanitation.

    Here's a quick guide:

    Fire department = Yes
    Hair salon = No

    Pharmacy = Yes
    Disney Land = No

    If you're going to argue the semantics of the term 'essential' to try to obscure the term to mean something else, then in similar fashion we'll deem you not essential to this thread.

    Sorry. My bad. I didn't realize agreement was also essential..

    What was I thinking?

    You're missing the point as to why that was brought up though. I'm saying the power plant and the entire system isn't fully automated. Without those workers, some people will die. So what they may do is essential, but those people aren't robots. They aren't slaves to that job. The reasons they do that job matters greatly, and suggesting that a person in that position has no morals, or a lack of them, in comparison to someone else who is or isn't deemed an essential worker of another sort is nonsense. Someone else having the "moral high ground" because they automatically deem their job more virtuous, is, well, to be expected in today's world unfortunately. Not that there couldn't be any merit in that thought process, but it's not like my job is selling t-shirts. I can see why some may be confused though since they 'know how much I love my t's..'

    Last edited by EricHiggin - on 15 July 2020

    EricHiggin said:
    Hiku said:

    I was asking why you were making a point of there being a power outage at the hospital, as if you don't understand that a power plant is considered essential, and would always be in operation.

    And no, the term 'essential workers' is not about the individual first. Or at all. It's work deemed necessary to meet basic needs of human survival and well-being — food, health, safety and sanitation.

    Here's a quick guide:

    Fire department = Yes
    Hair salon = No

    Pharmacy = Yes
    Disney Land = No

    If you're going to argue the semantics of the term 'essential' to try to obscure the term to mean something else, then in similar fashion we'll deem you not essential to this thread.

    Sorry. My bad. I didn't realize agreement was also essential..

    What was I thinking?

    You're missing the point as to why that was brought up though. I'm saying the power plant and the entire system isn't fully automated. Without those workers, some people will die. So what they may do is essential, but those people aren't robots. They aren't slaves to that job. The reasons they do that job matters greatly, and suggesting that a person in that position has no morals, or a lack of them, in comparison to someone else who is or isn't deemed an essential worker of another sort is nonsense. Someone else having the "moral high ground" because they automatically deem their job more virtuous, is, well, to be expected in today's world unfortunately. Not that there couldn't be any merit in that thought process, but it's not like my job is selling t-shirts. I can see why some may be confused though since they 'know how much I love my t's..'

    What even is it that you're arguing against right now? Is it still against lockdowns that were executed well in so many other countries without them dissolving into chaos? Or have you given up on that hopeless position and are just trying to side track with meaningless philosophy?

    Please enlighten me because I genuinely cannot see any coherent point in your last few posts.



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