Yep we had protests in Stockholm and Malmö, there will be a protest tomorrow in Gothenburg our second city. The protesters are able to bypass the 50 gathering limit by just saying to the police there will will only be 50 people showing up, then several thousands shows up.

As to why I expect a decline on daily reported dead is because our new daily hospitalization seems stable or in a slight decline, add in we doing a better job protecting nursing homes I expect to see a decline.

Here's chart for daily hospitalization, it seems to be in slight decline, Totalt = is entire sweden, Västra götaland contains our second biggest city Gothenburg, Skåne third which is Malmö.

But we seeing an increase in daily cases, which is cool I guess:

Do you have a source on this? Specifically, how do you know it was Antifa?

...no

Hospitalizations lag behind, but will also be fewer when better protecting nursing homes.

I'm not so sure if the increase will go back down quickly. It will go down a bit but maybe not to previous levels. That computer glitch might will have hidden a stable increase in infections. Mobility rates have gone up a bit since last time I checked.

Edit: Is see the work place and residential are cut off on the weekend, the graph tell a bit more. The numbers are week/weekend, doh.

The same for all of Sweden
https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-05-29_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

And the same here, hence numbers are creeping back up.


Re-opening too soon before the infections are down to a low enough level and you end up staying at the same level or increasing again.

You need to see the big picture.

Protests: A few thousand people participate in a large group. Of course not all people interact with each other, they generally stick to smaller groups within the protest. Protests are one off events, maybe a couple repeat protests but not daily, all day long.

Allowing more than 5 people to gather: Millions of people (the entire country) will take advantage of this, every day of the week, all day long.


The protests will have some infect on infections, yet much much less than people socializing at bars/restaurants etc. The biggest risk factor is travel to and from protests. More, smaller, local protests are better than huge events drawing in people from all over the country.

And then you have the US (which is already rising in cases again) where protests keep getting bigger and happen daily now. That will certainly have an effect, even though it may take several weeks to become clearly noticeable in the numbers.


Anyway for risks, the big factor is, what percentage of the population participate in the protests. Relaxing restrictions affects most of the population. Protests, a very small percentage.

Norway takes social distancing to the next level
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52920766/norway-landslide-buildings-swept-away-in-alta-disaster

(Everyone got out in time)

How strange, your source doesn't use the word "Antifa" a single time. It does say that some of the demonstrators were holding BLM signs, however that doesn't mean they were Antifa. And they were wearing black? I mean, lots of people wear black, especially while protesting or committing crimes. That isn't really evidence of anything.

It certainly seems to me as if you are just making broad assumptions about who is and who isn't Antifa in order to suit your narrative. Be sure to stay cognizant of your biases.

So you have an unsourced claim that you might have heard somewhere and the fact that they were wearing black.

Again, that is incredibly poor "evidence", which seems to be standing almost entirely on your own personal biases as opposed to a reflection of a well-defined reality.

I don't like when people take a poorly supported hypothesis as a certainty. Like, if I were to go around saying "This cop is a white nationalist" and my only evidence was the fact that he was bald and arrested a black guy, I think most people would stand up and say "what the fuck are you talking about". I know I certainly would.

That goes doubly so when we are dealing with things that are politically charged, such as this. I think we need to be very cautious about personal biases. As a scientist, I try to keep a look out for biases in myself and while I acknowledge that political biases certainly color my view of reality in a sense, I do my best to prevent my biases from serving as a replacement for reality.

That said, it is also interesting to see how those who lean more to the right construct a narrative around Antifa. I'd be interested to know why you believe Antifa are "less than scum" other than the fact that they are rich, white and like communism.

However, this is certainly far from the topic at hand, so if you would like to continue the conversation (which, I would like if you did), I would request you respond to this post over in the Official Politics Thread.

Hmm, either I guess. I was thinking politics because this isn't specifically in relation to these specific protests, but whatever you want. I've been keeping up with both of them.

Went out for a walk and its like there's no pandemic. Barely anyone with a mask. Also I've seen so many large group of friends mot social distancing.