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Antibody test in Sweden:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ny-studie-2-5-av-stockholmarna-bar-pa-viruset

A random sample test of 800 people in the Stockholm area, made between 28 March and 3 April, found out 2.5% had Covid-19 (either infected at the moment or recovered from it already), with the 95% confidence interval being between 1.4% and 4.2%. That would be about 24 - 30 times more than the reported number of cases in the Stockholm region back in April 1st. With a doubling time estimated at 6 - 7 days, now it's believed 5 - 10% of the population of the Stockholm area has or had the virus.



 

 

 

 

 

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SvennoJ said:

I noticed WorldInfoMeter has added tabs for different regions. Turkey is part of Asia according to them, yet according to Germany it's part of Europe. I'll keep following the Berliner Morgenpost for the European numbers, and keep USA the way it is. However together with Canada, Mexico, Panama, Dominican Republic et al, North America just passed the half million reported cases.

The financial times removed the extra deaths from France April 9: All maps and charts now exclude nursing home deaths from France’s totals to maintain cross-national comparability. Somehow that feels so wrong... Ignoring those that suffer the worst from this. Poor Turkey doesn't belong to Europe either according to the Financial times.

Turkey and Russia both are countries that stretch over both continents (or as I see it over the one continent Eurasia). If someone needs to categorize them as only for one continent, they have to throw a dice or something. Although Russias landmass is mostly in Asia, it is most often counted for europe, as the majority of people live in the european part and Russia actually is an important player in european history. For Turkey it is more difficult, so the categorization is changing.



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Mnementh said:
SvennoJ said:

I noticed WorldInfoMeter has added tabs for different regions. Turkey is part of Asia according to them, yet according to Germany it's part of Europe. I'll keep following the Berliner Morgenpost for the European numbers, and keep USA the way it is. However together with Canada, Mexico, Panama, Dominican Republic et al, North America just passed the half million reported cases.

The financial times removed the extra deaths from France April 9: All maps and charts now exclude nursing home deaths from France’s totals to maintain cross-national comparability. Somehow that feels so wrong... Ignoring those that suffer the worst from this. Poor Turkey doesn't belong to Europe either according to the Financial times.

Turkey and Russia both are countries that stretch over both continents (or as I see it over the one continent Eurasia). If someone needs to categorize them as only for one continent, they have to throw a dice or something. Although Russias landmass is mostly in Asia, it is most often counted for europe, as the majority of people live in the european part and Russia actually is an important player in european history. For Turkey it is more difficult, so the categorization is changing.

Also alot of vikings settled in russia.... its why they have alot of tall blond people.
The "Rus" part of Russia, comes from old norse and means "the men, who row" (vikings).

Scandinavia has always had (historically) decent relationships and trade, with russia.
Also something like ~74% are christians (16% non-believers, 9% islam), with moral and values very common to the rest of europe.

The reason they live in the european part mostly, is because alot of the Asian parts are hellva cold.



Aparrently FM Global has a "Resilience index", where they meassure and rank the ability of a country to get through a crisis, based on alot of parameters.

They ranked Norway as #1 and Denmark as #2.....lmao.

Part of why we ranked high, was political stability, low corruption, low risk of natural disaster (during this time), and our strong supply chains.
Ontop of our economy being healthy.

https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/tools-and-resources/resilienceindex/explore-the-data/?


Doesnt this go without saying? like a country as "Venezuela" if they get a serious outbreak of coronavirus things will be worse there, than in other countries? That makes sense to me.... ranking denmark that high though? meh.

Still why even make such a index ranking though?



JRPGfan said:

Aparrently FM Global has a "Resilience index", where they meassure and rank the ability of a country to get through a crisis, based on alot of parameters.

They ranked Norway as #1 and Denmark as #2.....lmao.

Part of why we ranked high, was political stability, low corruption, low risk of natural disaster (during this time), and our strong supply chains.
Ontop of our economy being healthy.

https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/tools-and-resources/resilienceindex/explore-the-data/?


Doesnt this go without saying? like a country as "Venezuela" if they get a serious outbreak of coronavirus things will be worse there, than in other countries? That makes sense to me.... ranking denmark that high though? meh.

Still why even make such a index ranking though?

What the heck is China Zone 3 based on lol. Why split up the USA, are they going to split up because of this?



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SvennoJ said:
JRPGfan said:

Aparrently FM Global has a "Resilience index", where they meassure and rank the ability of a country to get through a crisis, based on alot of parameters.

They ranked Norway as #1 and Denmark as #2.....lmao.

Part of why we ranked high, was political stability, low corruption, low risk of natural disaster (during this time), and our strong supply chains.
Ontop of our economy being healthy.

https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/tools-and-resources/resilienceindex/explore-the-data/?


Doesnt this go without saying? like a country as "Venezuela" if they get a serious outbreak of coronavirus things will be worse there, than in other countries? That makes sense to me.... ranking denmark that high though? meh.

Still why even make such a index ranking though?

What the heck is China Zone 3 based on lol. Why split up the USA, are they going to split up because of this?

And the middle part of the US ranking much higher than east or west doesn't really make sense, either



JRPGfan said:

Aparrently FM Global has a "Resilience index", where they meassure and rank the ability of a country to get through a crisis, based on alot of parameters.

They ranked Norway as #1 and Denmark as #2.....lmao.

Part of why we ranked high, was political stability, low corruption, low risk of natural disaster (during this time), and our strong supply chains.
Ontop of our economy being healthy.

https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/tools-and-resources/resilienceindex/explore-the-data/?


Doesnt this go without saying? like a country as "Venezuela" if they get a serious outbreak of coronavirus things will be worse there, than in other countries? That makes sense to me.... ranking denmark that high though? meh.

Still why even make such a index ranking though?

LOL. Apparently China has a resilience a lot lower than europe. And the US has among the highest resilience worldwide. Look how that turned out.



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Mnementh said:
JRPGfan said:

Aparrently FM Global has a "Resilience index", where they meassure and rank the ability of a country to get through a crisis, based on alot of parameters.

They ranked Norway as #1 and Denmark as #2.....lmao.

Part of why we ranked high, was political stability, low corruption, low risk of natural disaster (during this time), and our strong supply chains.
Ontop of our economy being healthy.

https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/tools-and-resources/resilienceindex/explore-the-data/?


Doesnt this go without saying? like a country as "Venezuela" if they get a serious outbreak of coronavirus things will be worse there, than in other countries? That makes sense to me.... ranking denmark that high though? meh.

Still why even make such a index ranking though?

LOL. Apparently China has a resilience a lot lower than europe. And the US has among the highest resilience worldwide. Look how that turned out.

Beats me.... to be fair, I think this data is towards the impact of a crisis, and how the country is after.
Probably as seen from the view of how big a hit the economy takes, prices on houseing ect.

This isnt a "if coronavirus hits, which countries loss less lives, or has less sick" thingy.

That said, the fact that the US has like ~17 million job losses due to this, in like 3 weeks time.
And FM Global has the US ranked so high... it makes me question it as well.



https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-antibody-test-in-german-town-shows-15-per-cent-infection-rate-0-4pc-death-rate

Another antibody + antigen test from the town of Gangelt, in Germany. 1,000 people from 400 households. 2% currently infected, 14% tested positive for the antibodies. That's three times whad had originally been expected. Estimated TFR from finished cases was 0.37%, but no information about ages was given.

On the other hand, a study from China claims 6% of positive antibody tests had results that were difficult to confirm. This means either that a small percentage of the population might not have built a decent degree of immunity even after infection, or perhaps the test itself wasn't as sophisticated as it would've been necessary. Another possibility is that, at least for some people, the antibodies take more time to build up (a common feature of immunosenescence and some diseases).



 

 

 

 

 

German numbers will certainly be underreported for today and the next few days and probably result in a spike mid next week