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NightlyPoe said:
sethnintendo said:

Basically you either die or get better. Hospitals can barely do shit right now.  Just waiting for USA for profit medical system to collapse but I'm sure their greedy asses will get bailed out.   All cheers for profit health care system.  I'm just glad this virus finally puts to rest USA has best medical system.   That is bullshit and I've know it for over 20 years.  For profit health care can kiss my ass.

Leaving aside for a moment the veracity of whether the United States has the best medical system...

How does the last few weeks provide evidence against it?  You're the second poster to mention this as an obvious conclusion, but the United States healthcare system has so far absorbed the rush of patients into its hospitals much better than many single-payer systems across Europe.  Even the emergency hospitals built in anticipation of the hospitals being overwhelmed have been relatively unused as of yet.  Why would anyone objective look at what's happening and conclude that the system isn't as good as advertised?

And I'm not sure at all where the system needs to be bailed out at the moment.

Please show me where, because I don't see anything like that yet.

Keep also in mind that it only really took off 2 weeks ago, while it started much earlier in Europe. The curve is flattening already across Europe, so the state of European countries right now is about where the US will be in 2-3 weeks, give or take.

Also, just look at that trendline:

Once those cases become serious cases, then the system will collapse. It's already doing so in NY right now (which has almost as many cases as all of Spain and more than Italy), and will go downhill from there.

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I haven't checked other nations but I noticed that the amount of active cases in Germany has not increased at all over the past few days. It's sitting at around 70k and might be even lower because there's no obligation to report numbers for recovered patients (I guess the vast majority is reporting them, otherwise we would have far lower numbers).
Not a bad sign.



John2290 said:

Good news (and bad) from Tucker Carlson, I trust this guys researchers, they are god teir at their jobs. 

The doctors found that losing a job ranked high on the list of health degrading traumas. Joblessness came in well above death of a close friend, to put it in some perspective. If you've ever found yourself unemployed with dependants to take care of, you understand this.

Unfortunately, many of our policymakers don't understand. They've never been in that position, they never will be. Our professional class doesn't have much interest in middle-class job loss or its consequences. We know that because they've essentially ignored it for decades, not to mention the family disintegration and the drug epidemics it has spawned.


He has a point, maybe law makers will finally address this situation. Maybe socialism won't be such a dirty word anymore in the USA after all this. It's not normal people in the US go to drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, even suicide for losing their job. Joblessness worse than the death of a close friend, that's not a civilized world.



NightlyPoe said:
sethnintendo said:

Basically you either die or get better. Hospitals can barely do shit right now.  Just waiting for USA for profit medical system to collapse but I'm sure their greedy asses will get bailed out.   All cheers for profit health care system.  I'm just glad this virus finally puts to rest USA has best medical system.   That is bullshit and I've know it for over 20 years.  For profit health care can kiss my ass.

Leaving aside for a moment the veracity of whether the United States has the best medical system...

How does the last few weeks provide evidence against it?  You're the second poster to mention this as an obvious conclusion, but the United States healthcare system has so far absorbed the rush of patients into its hospitals much better than many single-payer systems across Europe.  Even the emergency hospitals built in anticipation of the hospitals being overwhelmed have been relatively unused as of yet.  Why would anyone objective look at what's happening and conclude that the system isn't as good as advertised?

And I'm not sure at all where the system needs to be bailed out at the moment.

Do you feel like being in debt your entire life?  If so join up to USA healthcare system.



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Barozi said:
I haven't checked other nations but I noticed that the amount of active cases in Germany has not increased at all over the past few days. It's sitting at around 70k and might be even lower because there's no obligation to report numbers for recovered patients (I guess the vast majority is reporting them, otherwise we would have far lower numbers).
Not a bad sign.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-07/germany-s-number-of-coronavirus-recoveries-exceeds-new-cases

It's going better and better. If only people stopped dying so much.



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Barozi said:
I haven't checked other nations but I noticed that the amount of active cases in Germany has not increased at all over the past few days. It's sitting at around 70k and might be even lower because there's no obligation to report numbers for recovered patients (I guess the vast majority is reporting them, otherwise we would have far lower numbers).
Not a bad sign.

Denmark is much the same.

Hospitalised:

29th = 499
30th = 533
31st = 529
1st = 535
2nd = 525
3rd = 517
4th = 507
5th = 504
6th = 503
7th = 472   (127 of those, in the ICU, 103 on ventilors out of these)

Looks like people are either recovering, or dieing, at such a rate, that the "hospitalised & ICU numbers" are constant or dropping.
(every day theres like 8 - 16 people dieing though)

The daily new cases is still riseing though, its not yet dropping from day to day..... it swings up and down, but I doubt its "plateaued" yet..... theres still growth.
Guess we needed more drastic measures, sadly I suspect the oppersite is whats gonna happend.



Europeans need to stop a minute. Just think about this. I had appendicitis and went into emergency room. My parents at time helped me pay for MRI, surgeon, etc. You know what USA hospital tried to charge me for just room one night and pain killers. 20k. It was written off but that's what hospitals do here. They don't give a damn about you as long as they can suck you dry.  That's problem with for profit hospitals.



sethnintendo said:

Europeans need to stop a minute. Just think about this. I had appendicitis and went into emergency room. My parents at time helped me pay for MRI, surgeon, etc. You know what USA hospital tried to charge me for just room one night and pain killers. 20k. It was written off but that's what hospitals do here. They don't give a damn about you as long as they can suck you dry.  That's problem with for profit hospitals.

Thats what  SvennoJ said.

SvennoJ said:

The people that get infected in the US need to get bailed out :/

https://time.com/5806312/coronavirus-treatment-cost/
A few days later, Askini got the bills for her testing and treatment: $34,927.43. “I was pretty sticker-shocked,” she says. “I personally don’t know anybody who has that kind of money.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-covid-19-treatment-testing-costs-2020-3
If you're hospitalized with COVID-19 and don't have insurance, you'll likely owe $73,000. One chart shows how broken the system is for the most vulnerable.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/covid-19-hospital-bills-could-cost-uninsured-americans-up-to-75000.html
For those with insurance who are using in-network providers, out-of-pocket costs will be a portion of $21,936 to $38,755, depending on the cost-sharing provisions of their health plan.

Its honestly disgusting,.... a pandemic, which isnt something you can just "avoid", can cost you 73,000$.
Thats so damn unfair.  If your young, get hospitalised, get out, and get a bill like that....

The worst is, imagine your a nurse or someone, working to save lives.
And you get it yourself, trying to protect others lives.... and get stuck with a bill like that? it shouldnt be like that.



France continues to spike in cases and deaths.