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Wii U 32 28.83%
 
N64 79 71.17%
 
Total:111
bigtakilla said:

I'd say the N64 did 3d polygons better sure, WAY better though... Eh. But that is to take out all aspects of story telling, which is what put gaming in the eye of mass audiences and made it what it is today. You really can't argue that. Now if you want to say Nintendo changed how games are played, I'm with you. But you wanna know who changed the way games are made? 

On to the Wii U. It uses its own proprietary disks, so it's not really CD's it used. It doesn't play blu rays, but now we are kind of going outside of gaming. Memory was less, but you can also hook up external storage, so this wasn't really an issue. And yeah, not as strong as it's competitors, but could do (though granted to a lesser extent) everything the other consoles could do. 

As for asymmetrical gaming, the reality is it was just too hard to develop. Nintendo bit off more than they could chew, and i can accept that when they not only had to dive in to HD gaming, but also have games playable across two screens, and it is a shame it never took off because it was awesome. 

Oh I definitely would say the 3D polygon capabilities are way better. 

Take a look at Coolboarders 3 vs 1080 Snowboarding. It ALMOST looks like a generational leap ahead. First you have actual shadows, the polygonal models are better, the resolution is much better. The only thing that the N64 didn't do as well was textures, but that was due to it's medium more than anything. 

Regarding the Wii U, I meant optical discs when I said CD's, but my point is the same. The console wasn't nearly as innovative as the N64, neither on a hardware level or software level. The Wii U's big gimmick was never taken full advantage of, meanwhile the N64's helped propel gaming forward in a way that probably accelerated gaming a whole generation (By my estimates, analog sticks would have been implemented at the PS2 generation if Nintendo hadn't done it already with the N64). The N64 was the most innovative that propelled gaming forward, the most powerful, and had some of the highest rated games of the generation (Ocarina of Time at 99, THPS2 at 98, Perfect Dark at 97, Goldeneye at 96, Majoras Mask at 95, and Super Mario 64 at 94). The Wii U might have been the most innovative, but it wasn't the most powerful, it doesn't have nearly same highly lauded games (BotW at 97, Super Mario 3D World at 93, Smash Bros at 92...and that's it), and even it's innovations haven't propelled gaming forward in any significant way. 

This is why the Wii U isn't as great as the N64.



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Doctor_MG said:
bigtakilla said:

I'd say the N64 did 3d polygons better sure, WAY better though... Eh. But that is to take out all aspects of story telling, which is what put gaming in the eye of mass audiences and made it what it is today. You really can't argue that. Now if you want to say Nintendo changed how games are played, I'm with you. But you wanna know who changed the way games are made? 

On to the Wii U. It uses its own proprietary disks, so it's not really CD's it used. It doesn't play blu rays, but now we are kind of going outside of gaming. Memory was less, but you can also hook up external storage, so this wasn't really an issue. And yeah, not as strong as it's competitors, but could do (though granted to a lesser extent) everything the other consoles could do. 

As for asymmetrical gaming, the reality is it was just too hard to develop. Nintendo bit off more than they could chew, and i can accept that when they not only had to dive in to HD gaming, but also have games playable across two screens, and it is a shame it never took off because it was awesome. 

Oh I definitely would say the 3D polygon capabilities are way better. 

Take a look at Coolboarders 3 vs 1080 Snowboarding. It ALMOST looks like a generational leap ahead. First you have actual shadows, the polygonal models are better, the resolution is much better. The only thing that the N64 didn't do as well was textures, but that was due to it's medium more than anything. 

Regarding the Wii U, I meant optical discs when I said CD's, but my point is the same. The console wasn't nearly as innovative as the N64, neither on a hardware level or software level. The Wii U's big gimmick was never taken full advantage of, meanwhile the N64's helped propel gaming forward in a way that probably accelerated gaming a whole generation (By my estimates, analog sticks would have been implemented at the PS2 generation if Nintendo hadn't done it already with the N64). The N64 was the most innovative that propelled gaming forward, the most powerful, and had some of the highest rated games of the generation (Ocarina of Time at 99, THPS2 at 98, Perfect Dark at 97, Goldeneye at 96, Majoras Mask at 95, and Super Mario 64 at 94). The Wii U might have been the most innovative, but it wasn't the most powerful, it doesn't have nearly same highly lauded games (BotW at 97, Super Mario 3D World at 93, Smash Bros at 92...and that's it), and even it's innovations haven't propelled gaming forward in any significant way. 

This is why the Wii U isn't as great as the N64.

1080 with motion sensor= dream



Doctor_MG said:
bigtakilla said:

I'd say the N64 did 3d polygons better sure, WAY better though... Eh. But that is to take out all aspects of story telling, which is what put gaming in the eye of mass audiences and made it what it is today. You really can't argue that. Now if you want to say Nintendo changed how games are played, I'm with you. But you wanna know who changed the way games are made? 

On to the Wii U. It uses its own proprietary disks, so it's not really CD's it used. It doesn't play blu rays, but now we are kind of going outside of gaming. Memory was less, but you can also hook up external storage, so this wasn't really an issue. And yeah, not as strong as it's competitors, but could do (though granted to a lesser extent) everything the other consoles could do. 

As for asymmetrical gaming, the reality is it was just too hard to develop. Nintendo bit off more than they could chew, and i can accept that when they not only had to dive in to HD gaming, but also have games playable across two screens, and it is a shame it never took off because it was awesome. 

Oh I definitely would say the 3D polygon capabilities are way better. 

Take a look at Coolboarders 3 vs 1080 Snowboarding. It ALMOST looks like a generational leap ahead. First you have actual shadows, the polygonal models are better, the resolution is much better. The only thing that the N64 didn't do as well was textures, but that was due to it's medium more than anything. 

Regarding the Wii U, I meant optical discs when I said CD's, but my point is the same. The console wasn't nearly as innovative as the N64, neither on a hardware level or software level. The Wii U's big gimmick was never taken full advantage of, meanwhile the N64's helped propel gaming forward in a way that probably accelerated gaming a whole generation (By my estimates, analog sticks would have been implemented at the PS2 generation if Nintendo hadn't done it already with the N64). The N64 was the most innovative that propelled gaming forward, the most powerful, and had some of the highest rated games of the generation (Ocarina of Time at 99, THPS2 at 98, Perfect Dark at 97, Goldeneye at 96, Majoras Mask at 95, and Super Mario 64 at 94). The Wii U might have been the most innovative, but it wasn't the most powerful, it doesn't have nearly same highly lauded games (BotW at 97, Super Mario 3D World at 93, Smash Bros at 92...and that's it), and even it's innovations haven't propelled gaming forward in any significant way. 

This is why the Wii U isn't as great as the N64.

In terms of graphics I reckon the biggest advantage N64 had over the competition was perspective correct textures, which meant walls, floors, models, etc didn't wobble/jitter the way they did on PS1 and Saturn. It also introduced texture filtering and anti-aliasing to the console space.



padib said:
KungKras said:

The thing is, that up until the N64, Nintendo had an aura of invincibility.

The N64 didn't just lose Nintendo marketshare, it gave rise to two powerful competitors that would never have risen if the N64 didn't make the blunders it made.

To be perfectly honest, Nintendo would have done just fine even with cartridges had it not been bitten in its achilles' heel: its stanglehold on 3rd parties.

It's what made them great, and tore them down.

Because there are good chances that companies like Capcom, Square and Konami would've kept a good relationship with Nintendo if it weren't for their already sprouted resentment against the manufacturer that made them great.

Thank heavens that's all changed now. As they say, leave luck to heaven.

But yeah I  wouldn't fault the N64 it was awesome hardware that Nintendo did great things with.

And let's be perfectly fair, Nintendo wanted to go with CDs. Remember they worked on a Nintendo Playstation with Sony. But you know, greed made things go sour, Sony wanted to make Nintendo their bitch.

Well, as you can see today Nintendo is still standing strong on their feet, they are leaders in the industry and did the right thing to back off. Perhaps they did not need to do it so drastically, but they felt threatened, like they were being pulled a fast one.

You might even say Sony is to blame for having put in the contract something Nintendo was never comfortable with in the first place. Those kind of things are discussed clearly in person before being put on paper.

Royalties, everybody knows that's a fundamental point and needed to be crystal clear.

Trusting Sony was a big mistake indeed.



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77-32, N64 running wild all over Wii U’s candy ass! =D

Last edited by Jumpin - on 16 November 2019

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Jumpin said:

77-32, N64 running wild all over Wii U’s candy ass! =D

Yeah the poll actually started off pretty close but at this point it's pretty clear N64 is the democratic winner by far.



N64 in terms of games and influence on the gaming industry definitely. I can't think of a Wii U exclusive game that can be considered a classic.. I can think of 7 classic games on the N64



At the end of the day, I simply had more fun with my N64 than with my Wii U. 

To this day in fact, I rank N64 as my #4 favourite console, behind SNES, Wii, and 360.