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Darwinianevolution said:
At what point you just accept that a game will never be done?

When there ain't any progress anymore.

So far, there has been a lot of progress every alpha version.



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Conina said:
Darwinianevolution said:
At what point you just accept that a game will never be done?

When there ain't any progress anymore.

So far, there has been a lot of progress every alpha version.

And they are released for people to play.



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VAMatt said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Why exactly?

Is this game somehow obligated to achieve certain goals in a period of time?

Seems like a huge achievment that's arguably bigger than needs to be. But I guess thats also the charm of this project.

The devs made certain representations to investors about what they could do and when they could do it.  They stopped short of explicit promises, but they certainly made it seem as though they could do a lot more, a lot faster than they have.  They took money from people based on the investors belief that they were contributing to the development of the thing the devs presented.  But, in reality, the devs have continually moved the goal posts, collected more and more money, and have not delivered anything close to what's been promised on anything close to the indicated timeline.  

There's certainly a fraud argument to be made there.  I don't know for sure that it will be successful.  But, there's been so much money dumped into this hole by so many people that I have to assume some group of them will be pissed enough to look for a legal remedy.  

So basically you're just making an assumption?

I would suspect investors are going into this knowing its risk and giving developers freedom. Even if the project did fall apart the studio would likely just declare bankruptcy.

Personally, I feel its best if there is no legal action if this project never gets completed in some form. That's ultimately the risk of investing. Many companies have lost money funding games that were never completed or just sucked.



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SvennoJ said:
Pemalite said:

You don't need to rebuild an engine for any of that.
Plus the games engine supports voxel based global illumination, which is pretty good... If DXR/RTX Ray tracing is to be implemented it will likely be used to replace screen space reflections or enhance shadowing.

8K support already exists, people have been downsampling the game from 8k for ages.

HDR support is also in.

Once the next gen consoles are out and ray tracing becomes more standard on PC, Chris Roberts won't be able to resist to overhaul the whole rendering pipeline to get the most advanced lighting. You do need to rebuild the engine for that. He won't settle for his game looking like a last gen game.

He's probably not all that different from Kaz at PD. Too obsessed with the minute details, got to rebuild everything from scratch to get the correct Ferrari red in full HDR for 10K nits tvs that don't exist yet. He needs to redo the character models as well by now. Things are starting to look outdated.

No, you don't need to rebuild an engine for that. - Game engines tend to be fairly modular, it's not uncommon for engine developers to overhaul a singular aspect of a game engine... I.E. Physics whilst leaving the rest of the engine the same... Bethesda does it all the time.

But like I said... Lumberyard, the game engine that StarCitizen operates on already has support for voxel-based global illumination which is a form of Ray Tracing... And it has done so for years now. - Ray Tracing isn't a new thing... And just like everything else you listed, StarCitizen already supports it, it is literally the closest thing to a next-gen game today.



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VAMatt said:
eva01beserk said:

Whats a bigger scam, this or loot boxes?

Star Citizen.  Loot boxes, while objectionable in many ways, are not a scam.  They don't make promises that they subsequently fail to keep, over and over and over again.  

My thoughts exactly. Suckers all around.



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Star Citizen is that one project we know won't ever be completed because it's always moving goals on the fly.
Just settle for some goal already and finish the damn thing.



VAMatt said:
eva01beserk said:

Whats a bigger scam, this or loot boxes?

Star Citizen.  Loot boxes, while objectionable in many ways, are not a scam.  They don't make promises that they subsequently fail to keep, over and over and over again.  

Star Citizen promises everything and almost never delivers. Loot boxes promise nothing and almost always deliver.



This is not a game, its a scam.



 

Pemalite said:
SvennoJ said:

Once the next gen consoles are out and ray tracing becomes more standard on PC, Chris Roberts won't be able to resist to overhaul the whole rendering pipeline to get the most advanced lighting. You do need to rebuild the engine for that. He won't settle for his game looking like a last gen game.

He's probably not all that different from Kaz at PD. Too obsessed with the minute details, got to rebuild everything from scratch to get the correct Ferrari red in full HDR for 10K nits tvs that don't exist yet. He needs to redo the character models as well by now. Things are starting to look outdated.

No, you don't need to rebuild an engine for that. - Game engines tend to be fairly modular, it's not uncommon for engine developers to overhaul a singular aspect of a game engine... I.E. Physics whilst leaving the rest of the engine the same... Bethesda does it all the time.

But like I said... Lumberyard, the game engine that StarCitizen operates on already has support for voxel-based global illumination which is a form of Ray Tracing... And it has done so for years now. - Ray Tracing isn't a new thing... And just like everything else you listed, StarCitizen already supports it, it is literally the closest thing to a next-gen game today.

I'm going to be disappointed then next-gen as every new SC video looks a bit more dated to me :)

Of course you don't need to rebuild the whole engine, just the rendering pipeline... Chris Roberts won't let tech get ahead of his game and voxel-based whatever is not going to be good enough. Hopefully all the textures don't have to be redone for new material shaders.