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Forums - Sales Discussion - September NPD 2019 thread

LudicrousSpeed said:
JRPGfan said:

No one talking about Gears (xbox + pc steam) is at #7 on the list?

it launched early into the month, so its basically a full month and it couldnt get into the top3 spots.
Gears used to be a system seller..... it was a reason to get a xbox, it sold like mad.

Sales must be down by huge margins compaired to older Gears games.

Interesting negative take.

How did those older Gears titles do on debut? What was the retail/Gamepass split like?

NPD doesnt show how many played it via 1$ for a year, on gamepass.
However my thinking is, more than Xbox is probably comfortable with..... didnt buy the new Gears game, but played it via gamepass.

Xbox probably made huge losses on Gears (spending on production > sales + gamepass revenue generated).

Also apparently 5 weeks later on, its almost out of the top20 most played on xbox.
This is unusual for a Gears of War game, they usually have good legs, and staying power.... this one seems to have fizzled out quicker.



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Deeds said:
Replicant said:

Bold: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have monthly leaks until 2015 where NPD's ninjas started to hunt down leakers such as Aquamarine? In 2015, Sony dominated the gaming world and it seems like such a weird time for them to begin requiring NPD to stop leakers.

I guess you are somewhat new to this? I remember on neogaf people complaining about NPD restricting data (slowly but surely) long before the PS4 came out.

We still got leaks on a regular monthly basis though. First time I remember reading about NPD trying to stop leakers was in 2015 where Sony had zero reason to stop US numbers from leaking.

Mat Piscatella has started to communicate more with users through twitter revealing bits and pieces of information. It mostly come off as NPD promoting their services due to them discovering that they could charge money for something they used to reveal for free.

However, they do reveal the month's winner (which has been Nintendo a lot lately) and they don't hold back on praising impressive numbers and records (which has been about Nintendo a lot lately), so I'm not quite sold on the theory that NPD is paid to downplay Nintendo. If they are, Mat is doing a pretty bad job on twitter none the less.



Deeds said:

Heh, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if it is "Teh Conspiracy!!1!1" or not. Numbers being hidden (when it is openly disclosed in other industries) benefits no one, not even the people trying to hide the data. What really matters is what you like or not, and I think Sony is garbage so meh.

Well, ok. I guess that explains a few things.



JRPGfan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Interesting negative take.

How did those older Gears titles do on debut? What was the retail/Gamepass split like?

NPD doesnt show how many played it via 1$ for a year, on gamepass.
However my thinking is, more than Xbox is probably comfortable with..... didnt buy the new Gears game, but played it via gamepass.

Xbox probably made huge losses on Gears (spending on production > sales + gamepass revenue generated).

Also apparently 5 weeks later on, its almost out of the top20 most played on xbox.
This is unusual for a Gears of War game, they usually have good legs, and staying power.... this one seems to have fizzled out quicker.

I stopped reading at $1/year GamePass. You’re either wildly ignorant about GamePass or exaggerating greatly, either way not worth a serious reply.



LudicrousSpeed said:
JRPGfan said:

NPD doesnt show how many played it via 1$ for a year, on gamepass.
However my thinking is, more than Xbox is probably comfortable with..... didnt buy the new Gears game, but played it via gamepass.

Xbox probably made huge losses on Gears (spending on production > sales + gamepass revenue generated).

Also apparently 5 weeks later on, its almost out of the top20 most played on xbox.
This is unusual for a Gears of War game, they usually have good legs, and staying power.... this one seems to have fizzled out quicker.

I stopped reading at $1/year GamePass. You’re either wildly ignorant about GamePass or exaggerating greatly, either way not worth a serious reply.

So, he mixed up month for year. Big deal. Doesn't change the fact that the rest of his reply was true. Nice way to try and ignore it, though.



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I saw 49 new replies and thought we got hardware numbers but its just consipitacy theories.



thismeintiel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I stopped reading at $1/year GamePass. You’re either wildly ignorant about GamePass or exaggerating greatly, either way not worth a serious reply.

So, he mixed up month for year. Big deal. Doesn't change the fact that the rest of his reply was true. Nice way to try and ignore it, though.

Oh sure, he “mixed it up”. Where’s that JLaw gif when you need it? 

Interesting that you say it’s a “fact” that the rest of his post is “true”. Reading it, just comes across as unsurprisingly negative twists and opinions. But hey I’m sure the guy who is like 0-7 or whatever on predicting no more Xbox hardware knows everything about their financials and expected revenue. My bad 😁



Replicant said:
Deeds said:

I guess you are somewhat new to this? I remember on neogaf people complaining about NPD restricting data (slowly but surely) long before the PS4 came out.

We still got leaks on a regular monthly basis though. First time I remember reading about NPD trying to stop leakers was in 2015 where Sony had zero reason to stop US numbers from leaking.

Mat Piscatella has started to communicate more with users through twitter revealing bits and pieces of information. It mostly come off as NPD promoting their services due to them discovering that they could charge money for something they used to reveal for free.

However, they do reveal the month's winner (which has been Nintendo a lot lately) and they don't hold back on praising impressive numbers and records (which has been about Nintendo a lot lately), so I'm not quite sold on the theory that NPD is paid to downplay Nintendo. If they are, Mat is doing a pretty bad job on twitter none the less.

Look, at the end of the day, NPD is trash when it comes to sales data. If one of the biggest players in the industry (Nintendo) doesnt share their sales data with you, your results are shit. Also, NPD uses revenue and not unit sales, so it skews the data even more. NPD is dead and irrelevant. The people who take them seriously are people who are in denial and stuck in the past. IMO, VGchartz is more reliable.



jason1637 said:
I saw 49 new replies and thought we got hardware numbers but its just consipitacy theories.

A consipitacy? What's that?



Deeds said:

Their detailed analysis of sales data was behind a paywall, not the sales numbers itself. Hiding the sales numbers at the time they did it was suspicious. Who cares anyway, Media Create is now dead and irrelevant (they will not be missed) Everyone is looking at Famitsu.

I know. They have other data tied to their services. As does NPD, on top of the ones they provide for free (sales rankings).
Now their 'most accurate' sales data is tied to the rest. They built up that reputation, and get customers from it.

This may give an incentive for Famitsu to follow suit though.