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Replicant on 19 October 2019
Deeds said:
Replicant said:

I struggle to see the point in silencing Media Create when Famitsu exists.

And why would Sony be fine with NPD last gen when PS3 got its ass kicked by 360 but silence it now when PS4 beats XB1?

Bingo!!!! You bring up a very good point. Why would Media Create hide data behind a paywall (which is what they said they are doing), when Famitsu and Dengeki releases that data for FREE???? That sounds like self sabotage on Media Create's part to me. WHO is going to buy that data when it is free elsewhere? Sounds to me like there was some outside influence that made Media create do something stupid. As for you second point AGAIN, NPD STARTED to hide data during the PS3/Xbox 360/Wii generation.

Bold: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have monthly leaks until 2015 where NPD's ninjas started to hunt down leakers such as Aquamarine? In 2015, Sony dominated the gaming world and it seems like such a weird time for them to begin requiring NPD to stop leakers.

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abronn627 on 19 October 2019

Sorry to ask the question, but what was the last day covered by the September period ?



haxxiy on 19 October 2019

I'm just laughing @ people thinking more than a few nerds in the internet care for bragging about monthy US hardware sales.

No one is paying NPD to "hide" anything. They're just following the golden rule that is, if you're good at something, don't do it for free. Money rules.



 

 

 

 

 

Blood_Tears on 19 October 2019

Exactly, this thread is hilarious. Conspiracy theories and Sony is Evil and hiding numbers. Some people really go overboard and spend too much time online. Switch is a great console and so is PS4. PS4 is number 1 over all in sales. It took Nintendo 2 consoles in 1 generation and a combined hybrid to compete with Sony on the home console side. These are the facts. Play the games and enjoy them but leave the over dramatic theories at the door please.



Replicant on 19 October 2019
haxxiy said:

I'm just laughing @ people thinking more than a few nerds in the internet care for bragging about monthy US hardware sales.

No one is paying NPD to "hide" anything. They're just following the golden rule that is, if you're good at something, don't do it for free. Money rules.

Bold: That seems more likely to me as well. I hadn't heard about the theory claiming that Sony is silencing NPD.

But whatever the reason is, I'm still a bit bummed out about not being able to see the numbers anymore as I'm always interested in deeper info about my favorite hobby. Sales numbers is what made me sign up here.



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LudicrousSpeed on 19 October 2019
JRPGfan said:

No one talking about Gears (xbox + pc steam) is at #7 on the list?

it launched early into the month, so its basically a full month and it couldnt get into the top3 spots.
Gears used to be a system seller..... it was a reason to get a xbox, it sold like mad.

Sales must be down by huge margins compaired to older Gears games.

Interesting negative take.

How did those older Gears titles do on debut? What was the retail/Gamepass split like?



Deeds on 19 October 2019

Heh, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if it is "Teh Conspiracy!!1!1" or not. Numbers being hidden (when it is openly disclosed in other industries) benefits no one, not even the people trying to hide the data. What really matters is what you like or not, and I think Sony is garbage so meh.



Deeds on 19 October 2019
Hiku said:
Deeds said:

People quickly forgot that NPD started hiding data late into the Wii/PS3/360 era. During the PS2/GCN/Xbox era all the data was wide open. Coincidence? And again, sales data can be used for marketing purposes. For example, "Product X is the best selling thing, get it while its hot!!!!". You cant do that when your product is selling like shit, but you can shut people up and create narratives that are deceptive, like "the Playsation Family of sales". Also notice that they CANT shut up companies that are too strong like Kadokawa Dwango (who owns Famitsu) or Amazon (with their bestseller list).

So they spent money to hide NPD after their console started making a comeback? And then spent money to silence Media Create for numbers that Famitsu still provide?

???

Also, have you noticed how seedless grapes became a thing AFTER America was created? It's because Italy can shut up it's domestic farmers, but they CANT shut up America. Coincidence?

Deeds said:

Bingo!!!! You bring up a very good point. Why would Media Create hide data behind a paywall (which is what they said they are doing), when Famitsu and Dengeki releases that data for FREE???? That sounds like self sabotage on Media Create's part to me. WHO is going to buy that data when it is free elsewhere? Sounds to me like there was some outside influence that made Media create do something stupid. As for you second point AGAIN, NPD STARTED to hide data during the PS3/Xbox 360/Wii generation.

If you read the article I linked, companies were already paying them for their data before.
And the reason a company would chose them was also stated in the article. Because they're considered the most reliable source in Japan. And now they plan to expand their services to track other regions.

Their detailed analysis of sales data was behind a paywall, not the sales numbers itself. Hiding the sales numbers at the time they did it was suspicious. Who cares anyway, Media Create is now dead and irrelevant (they will not be missed) Everyone is looking at Famitsu.



Deeds on 19 October 2019
Replicant said:
Deeds said:

Bingo!!!! You bring up a very good point. Why would Media Create hide data behind a paywall (which is what they said they are doing), when Famitsu and Dengeki releases that data for FREE???? That sounds like self sabotage on Media Create's part to me. WHO is going to buy that data when it is free elsewhere? Sounds to me like there was some outside influence that made Media create do something stupid. As for you second point AGAIN, NPD STARTED to hide data during the PS3/Xbox 360/Wii generation.

Bold: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have monthly leaks until 2015 where NPD's ninjas started to hunt down leakers such as Aquamarine? In 2015, Sony dominated the gaming world and it seems like such a weird time for them to begin requiring NPD to stop leakers.

I guess you are somewhat new to this? I remember on neogaf people complaining about NPD restricting data (slowly but surely) long before the PS4 came out.



abronn627 on 19 October 2019
Deeds said:

Heh, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if it is "Teh Conspiracy!!1!1" or not. Numbers being hidden (when it is openly disclosed in other industries) benefits no one, not even the people trying to hide the data. What really matters is what you like or not, and I think Sony is garbage so meh.

You looking too far at the reasons why numbers are not openly shared. If there’s one thing businesses have realized in the last decade is that data are worth a lot of money. Sales numbers being hidden by NPD or Media Create is nothing unexpected today since they believe they can turn a profit by selling their services. There’s nothing more than that.