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Deeds said:
Dulfite said:

Why is this? Like what is their benefit? This is like polling companies refusing to release data on which politician gets what percentage. Nonsense!

It's because certain companies try to use sales data as "marketing". It's NOT, and I mean NOT a coincidence that a little before the Switch outsold the PS4 lifetime in Japan, Media Create was silenced. I guess that Famitsu has enough power to tell a certain company to fuck off. As for trying to silence sales trackers, its all futile. The PS4 and the PS5 will be obliterated by the Switch either way.

Wait, are you suggesting Sony doesn't want data to be revealed showing how they are selling compared to Nintendo? And that Ps5 will sell less than Switch 1?

Just wanting clarification, not implying anything.



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Dragon Quest's performance in the west is odd to me. It's a series brought you by the producers of Final Fantasy, it's even developed by one of its core teams, the character designs come from one of the most iconic manga artists of all time; Dragon Quest XI in particular has astonishing artwork and it was a little pushed by Nintendo this time around for Switch. And yet, it barely cracked the top 10 of Switch titles.

I know it's a late port and it's Dragon Quest, but that's my problem, it's incredible that the series has such a limited appeal around here.



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Metallox said:
Dragon Quest's performance in the west is odd to me. It's a series brought you by the producers of Final Fantasy, it's even developed by one of its core teams, the character designs come from one of the most iconic manga artists of all time; Dragon Quest XI in particular has astonishing artwork and it was a little pushed by Nintendo this time around for Switch. And yet, it barely cracked the top 10 of Switch titles.

I know it's a late port and it's Dragon Quest, but that's my problem, it's incredible that the series has such a limited appeal around here.

I am surprised the series isn't more popular in the west for all the reasons you stated. DBZ is one of the most popular anime's of all time in the west and the art style is the same. Maybe a DBZ game using Dragon Quest gameplay would be more popular. 



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Dulfite said:
Deeds said:

It's because certain companies try to use sales data as "marketing". It's NOT, and I mean NOT a coincidence that a little before the Switch outsold the PS4 lifetime in Japan, Media Create was silenced. I guess that Famitsu has enough power to tell a certain company to fuck off. As for trying to silence sales trackers, its all futile. The PS4 and the PS5 will be obliterated by the Switch either way.

Wait, are you suggesting Sony doesn't want data to be revealed showing how they are selling compared to Nintendo? And that Ps5 will sell less than Switch 1?

Just wanting clarification, not implying anything.

Yes and yes. First of all, the discussion about Sony "shutting down" NPD and Media create are not solely my idea. This has been discussed on Resetera and even Neogaf way back in the day. Second of all, even during the dark days of Wii U, Nintendo STILL showed sales data, unlike Microsoft who has gone radio silent on Xbox One hardware, and Sony going silent on the Vita sales. And I find it funny because it wont mean much in the end. Shutting up Media create did NOT save the PS4 in Japan. Being silent on Vita did not stop it from BOMBING. It also shows how pathetic and immature the leadership at Sony and Microsoft are.

Third of all I think the Switch is going to outsell the PS4 and the PS5 will sell LESS than the PS4. That's my prediction.



Only disappointing this was Astral Chain wasn't in the Top 20. It released at the end of August and at 10th so was hoping it would at least stay in the top 20. We'll have to see how the game did when Nintendo's official reports come out. That said, didn't realize how many games came out in September. 

Shadow1980 said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Yayyy no numbers again

We're probably never getting numbers again. NPD has deemed them top secret and off-limits to the public, and they've successfully silenced all the leakers. Unless a bunch of people pitch in for the $10,000 to buy a report or an actual competitor crops up (maybe we'll get lucky and Famitsu opens up a U.S. branch), then it's over. The best we have are the "best guess" hardware estimates from the Era threads. Truly a sad time for people who enjoy discussing game sales.

Though, does the December report have annual information? If so, we may only need to buy one and then estimate the rest. 



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Deeds said:
Dulfite said:

Wait, are you suggesting Sony doesn't want data to be revealed showing how they are selling compared to Nintendo? And that Ps5 will sell less than Switch 1?

Just wanting clarification, not implying anything.

Yes and yes. First of all, the discussion about Sony "shutting down" NPD and Media create are not solely my idea. This has been discussed on Resetera and even Neogaf way back in the day. Second of all, even during the dark days of Wii U, Nintendo STILL showed sales data, unlike Microsoft who has gone radio silent on Xbox One hardware, and Sony going silent on the Vita sales. And I find it funny because it wont mean much in the end. Shutting up Media create did NOT save the PS4 in Japan. Being silent on Vita did not stop it from BOMBING. It also shows how pathetic and immature the leadership at Sony and Microsoft are.

Third of all I think the Switch is going to outsell the PS4 and the PS5 will sell LESS than the PS4. That's my prediction.

I agree with you about PS5 sales, but I'm not sure Switch will sell more than PS4, I think they'll end even or maybe PS4 a little above, we have to see in the years coming



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No one talking about Gears (xbox + pc steam) is at #7 on the list?

it launched early into the month, so its basically a full month and it couldnt get into the top3 spots.
Gears used to be a system seller..... it was a reason to get a xbox, it sold like mad.

Sales must be down by huge margins compaired to older Gears games.



JRPGfan said:

No one talking about Gears (xbox + pc steam) is at #7 on the list?

it launched early into the month, so its basically a full month and it couldnt get into the top3 spots.
Gears used to be a system seller..... it was a reason to get a xbox, it sold like mad.

Sales must be down by huge margins compaired to older Gears games.

Gears does not include Steam, but yea..  I guess it did sell a lot of gamepass subs. It is extreme value for players right now, which on the other hands probably means MS needs tons of long time subs to actually make some profit with it, but as one of the richest companies they certainly can play the long game.



Metallox said:
Dragon Quest's performance in the west is odd to me. It's a series brought you by the producers of Final Fantasy, it's even developed by one of its core teams, the character designs come from one of the most iconic manga artists of all time; Dragon Quest XI in particular has astonishing artwork and it was a little pushed by Nintendo this time around for Switch. And yet, it barely cracked the top 10 of Switch titles.

I know it's a late port and it's Dragon Quest, but that's my problem, it's incredible that the series has such a limited appeal around here.

That is one of the bigger disappointments of the year. It's a late port, but DQXIS has been given so much love by the developers with the added content. Sure, its not as clear or pretty as the PS4 version, but who expected that? Plus, Nintendo went above and beyond marketing the game, with Hero being in Smash Bros. Ultimate, DQXIS being in 3 Directs (and leading off in the E3 Direct), and even promoting a 10 hour demo.

Maybe the demo was too long that it satisfied some consumers? Who knows..It's just unfortunate that a high-profile AAA third party title on the Switch did not get much attention among consumers. Guess it didn't help that, once again, DQXI had to deal with a very busy month of games.



Deeds said:
Dulfite said:

Why is this? Like what is their benefit? This is like polling companies refusing to release data on which politician gets what percentage. Nonsense!

It's because certain companies try to use sales data as "marketing". It's NOT, and I mean NOT a coincidence that a little before the Switch outsold the PS4 lifetime in Japan, Media Create was silenced. I guess that Famitsu has enough power to tell a certain company to fuck off. As for trying to silence sales trackers, its all futile. The PS4 and the PS5 will be obliterated by the Switch either way.

I struggle to see the point in silencing Media Create when Famitsu exists.

And why would Sony be fine with NPD last gen when PS3 got its ass kicked by 360 but silence it now when PS4 beats XB1?

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