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Forums - Sales - Global Hardware 14 September 2019 (PS4 Tops 100M)

PAOerfulone said:
EricHiggin said:

Looks like two questions to me, and since based on your reply question, it didn't seem like you understood or agreed, so I gave you some info in case that's what you were lacking. If you don't require it because you already know it then I'm sure you just ignored it, right?

If Switch and Switch Lite should count together, like the PS4's and XB1's, then so should Wii and Wii U, and maybe even GCN.

The Wii U wasn't a hardware revision by any means like the PS4 Pro/Slim, Xbox One X/S, Switch Lite, or the Wii Mini. It was the next generation console and successor to the Wii, just like the Wii was the next generation console and successor to the GameCube. So of course their sales are separated. By your logic, the PS1, PS2, and PS3 should all be counted together.

This is my point. I agree with you here, except based on the reasoning that's been given throughout this discussion by some about similar hardware, then you could argue that Wii and Wii U could be considered the same.

Take XB1X for example. MS doesn't refer to the CPU as Jaguar because they say it's custom enough that you wouldn't consider it a Jaguar anymore, along with faster clocks. So the CPU is different. The GPU has some new features and is much stronger, so it's different. The eSRAM is gone. It's got more RAM and it's GDDR. It's got fast cache for quicker load times. Etc.

Just because the XB1X plays the same games, and has the same name, it should be considered as the same hardware as the XB1 and XB1S, which have their own slight differences?

My point is the hardware should be separate. While I understand that separating PS4 and XB1 sales would likely be a problem, it seemed to be that Switch Lite sales are separate and known, and so why not keep them that way?

A compromise I guess would be to consider Switch a handheld platform for now and combine it and Lite on the right side of the chart.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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dridella said:
Just read this from a review from Wired

"" Technically, the name "Switch" no longer fits, as the Lite cannot connect to a television, thereby not being able to 'switch' between docked and portable forms. It also means only games with a handheld mode are compatible with the new console – try to buy anything on Nintendo eShop that requires TV output (Labo, Just Dance, 1-2-Switch, Super Mario Party) and you'll be warned it's incompatible. This is the biggest change, but not the only one. ""

But they also refer to it being a new console

Sarkar said:
dridella said:

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If it can’t play all the Switch games then it can’t be the Switch?


Well, it can just run NS games, as it doesn't add new features, it just omits existing ones, so we cannot consider it a new platform, but it cannot run them all. Technically we could define it a subset of NS. Or maybe, as it cannot run whole classes of NS games due to missing functionalities, even a vector subspace of NS.



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Comparing Normal Switch and Switch Lite is more like comparing a PC with a laptop than a 3DS with a 2DS or PS4 with PS4 pro. Both share the shame exact software, but one have a main characteristic that the other one can't use. With a laptop you can bring your computer everywhere with a battery and with a PC you need to stay in a defined place connected in the same place. With Switch and Switch Lite is the same, just in this case the hybrid part are the laptop and the original Switch, but the other part goes in the opposite direction; the PC is just like a home console and Switch Lite just like a handheld.

Comparing Switch Lite revision like if it was like 2DS or PS4 Pro revisions is wrong in my opinion. The better comparison would be more like PS Vita and PS Vita TV, which by the way both counted to PS Vita total sales (as a handheld to be precise).

Maybe the original problem was not considering Switch a home console OR a handheld in the first place. Maybe the problem is putting a hybrid console against home consoles AND/OR handhelds. An hybrid is its own thing...In my opinion Switch shoud had never been compared to PS4/XBO like it is not compared against 3DS and PSV, for the same very reasons.

But ey..., if we already counted Switch as a home console since 2017, i admit it will be very weird to change that now, even with the Switch Lite, so ...whatever.



Sarkar said:

If it can’t play all the Switch games then it can’t be the Switch?

3DS couldn't play all games either due to XBC needing a N3DS that didn't stop it being a 3DS.



CGI-Quality said:
COKTOE said:

Hmmm. I'm thinkin' no. But wouldn't mind being proven wrong.

PS1 sits at 102.49m units sold. Think about that again.

I thought PSOne was at 108M, my mistake...but I just checked now on Hardware totals, and it sits at 104.25m.  In both cases, 104.25m or 102.49m,  PS4 will pass PSOne very soon, I think by November.



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The Switch is marketed with 3 different play styles: TV, handheld and tabletop. Afaik you can still wirelessly connect joycons to the Lite, so tabletop is still an option. Knowing that, can we say that you can still “Switch” play styles between handheld and tabletop ?



Did anyone else notice the change in Vita's hardware sales?



Nice.



colafitte said:
Comparing Normal Switch and Switch Lite is more like comparing a PC with a laptop than a 3DS with a 2DS or PS4 with PS4 pro. Both share the shame exact software, but one have a main characteristic that the other one can't use. With a laptop you can bring your computer everywhere with a battery and with a PC you need to stay in a defined place connected in the same place. With Switch and Switch Lite is the same, just in this case the hybrid part are the laptop and the original Switch, but the other part goes in the opposite direction; the PC is just like a home console and Switch Lite just like a handheld.

Comparing Switch Lite revision like if it was like 2DS or PS4 Pro revisions is wrong in my opinion. The better comparison would be more like PS Vita and PS Vita TV, which by the way both counted to PS Vita total sales (as a handheld to be precise).

Maybe the original problem was not considering Switch a home console OR a handheld in the first place. Maybe the problem is putting a hybrid console against home consoles AND/OR handhelds. An hybrid is its own thing...In my opinion Switch shoud had never been compared to PS4/XBO like it is not compared against 3DS and PSV, for the same very reasons.

But ey..., if we already counted Switch as a home console since 2017, i admit it will be very weird to change that now, even with the Switch Lite, so ...whatever.

Thank you.... And this is exactly the point I am and have been making since 2017. From day one, it's been wrong to compare a hybrid to a home console. It is its own thing. The issue was that in the beginning, we lumped in hybrid in with home consoles primarily because it had "one ting" in common with them. It could be plugged into a TV. Now there is a version of said hybrid (and likely the one that will go onto be the best selling version of it) and it is a full-blown dedicated handheld.

But aparently, I am the one that doesn't and still don't know what a hybrid is. I foresaw this exact predicament.



Intrinsic said:
colafitte said:
Comparing Normal Switch and Switch Lite is more like comparing a PC with a laptop than a 3DS with a 2DS or PS4 with PS4 pro. Both share the shame exact software, but one have a main characteristic that the other one can't use. With a laptop you can bring your computer everywhere with a battery and with a PC you need to stay in a defined place connected in the same place. With Switch and Switch Lite is the same, just in this case the hybrid part are the laptop and the original Switch, but the other part goes in the opposite direction; the PC is just like a home console and Switch Lite just like a handheld.

Comparing Switch Lite revision like if it was like 2DS or PS4 Pro revisions is wrong in my opinion. The better comparison would be more like PS Vita and PS Vita TV, which by the way both counted to PS Vita total sales (as a handheld to be precise).

Maybe the original problem was not considering Switch a home console OR a handheld in the first place. Maybe the problem is putting a hybrid console against home consoles AND/OR handhelds. An hybrid is its own thing...In my opinion Switch shoud had never been compared to PS4/XBO like it is not compared against 3DS and PSV, for the same very reasons.

But ey..., if we already counted Switch as a home console since 2017, i admit it will be very weird to change that now, even with the Switch Lite, so ...whatever.

Thank you.... And this is exactly the point I am and have been making since 2017. From day one, it's been wrong to compare a hybrid to a home console. It is its own thing. The issue was that in the beginning, we lumped in hybrid in with home consoles primarily because it had "one ting" in common with them. It could be plugged into a TV. Now there is a version of said hybrid (and likely the one that will go onto be the best selling version of it) and it is a full-blown dedicated handheld.

But aparently, I am the one that doesn't and still don't know what a hybrid is. I foresaw this exact predicament.

If Switch Lite starts being the best version relating sales (and i mean, clearly the best), maybe people will start considering Switch a handheld system, until then Switch is going to be considered in the same sentence as PS and XB. The thing is that if Switch would started in 2017 just like the Lite version and then in 2019 a version where you could plug the console into a tv with better specs for 100$ more then there would've been any doubts if it was a thing or another...., but things are what they are. It's better to just accept it and move on. You can decide if you want to compare Switch (in all of its versions) vs PS and XB. From my point of view, i decided long ago that what i'm comparing is the best thing Sony/Microsoft are trying against the best thing Nintendo is trying. If Nintendo needs the help of the combined home console/handheld crowd to bring a "battle" to compete against PS4 sales..., well then, it is what it is, and it make things more fun.