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Is stadia going to fail? (not be competitive, profitable?)

yes - (people wont pay for 4k subscription) 42 77.78%
 
no - (people want to stre... 12 22.22%
 
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potato_hamster on 28 June 2019
RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Yeah, because literally every PS4 player bought a PS4 Pro. Once PS4 Pro came out, the regular PS4 just stopped working and became no longer capable of playing all of those PS4 Pro exclusive games of which every PS4 game automatically became. You see those 97 million PS4s sold? That's actually just 48.5 million people who bought PS4s and then upgraded to PS4 pros when they came out.

Xbox owners did the same. So of course it makes sense when trying to figure out the cost of PS5/Xbox Scarlett ownership, it makes sense to include the mid-gen upgrade.

But hey, at least you were "generous" in your assumptions, right?

Let's try some equally disingenuous crap when figuring out the cost of Google Stadia:

$720 for six years of subscription
$2160 for an additional $20 a month of internet bandwidth to play games at 4K and then an additional $20 a month for 3 years to upgrade to an internet package with bandwidth capable of playing games at 8K (so $20 a month costs becomes a $40 a month cost half way through)
$1000 for upgrades to router and mesh network to handle upgrade to 8K streaming
Total - $3,880 or $2,160 if someone only decides to keep streaming at 4K like a common peasant.

Wow. This Google Stadia thing seems awfully expensive compared to a PS5 or Xbox Scarlett since neither of those require the bandwidth levels Stadia does just to play! There's totally no holes in that logic!

It's logical to include mid-gen upgrades for consoles when a comparison is drawn to the premium version of Stadia.

A comparison about the base versions can also be done.

Stadia for six years - $0
vs.
Console - $400

Do you need an internet connection to play PS5?



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Barkley on 28 June 2019
potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:

It's logical to include mid-gen upgrades for consoles when a comparison is drawn to the premium version of Stadia.

A comparison about the base versions can also be done.

Stadia for six years - $0
vs.
Console - $400

Do you need an internet connection to play PS5?

Maybe do you have a source saying you don't?



Cerebralbore101 on 28 June 2019
RolStoppable said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

You're forgetting to factor in that the original console would be sold used at $200, when picking up the mid gen upgrade. See my above post about the cost of XBL/PS+. 

Console - $400
Mid-gen upgrade - $200 after selling first console.
Online subscription - $240 (comes with $360 or more worth of free games)
Total - $840 or $640 if they sell their PS4Pro/XB1X for $200 on launch day of the PS5/XB2

It's disingenious to apply a flatrate to the cost of Stadia while factoring in deals for PS and Xbox consoles; you lowered the cost of the online subscription with that. But despite moving the goalposts, you still end up with costs comparable to Stadia, so the original argument that was presented by the OP (that Stadia is more expensive) doesn't hold water.

Also, there's nothing that prevents Google from offering free games with their subscription. In fact, free games are already planned.

Selling your original system for $200 when getting the mid-gen upgrade isn't a deal. It's economics. If Stadia offers up yearly subscriptions for a lowered price, I'll factor that in when they do it. I'll also factor in lowered console prices, whenever the PS5/XB2 get their first price drop, instead of speculating on potential future price drops. We shouldn't be factoring in any price drops for either side until they are announced. That's only fair. Refusing to accept someone else's epistemology =/= moving the goal posts. You just ignored the extra internet cost for Stadia. I realize that not everyone will need to pay extra for internet, but not everyone needs to pay for XBL/PS+ either. So we can either keep the extra internet cost for Stadia, and keep the XBL/PS+ cost, or drop both of them. Either way the price of the consoles come out on top. You also ignored the cost of losing games you paid for, as well as the inability to resell them. And let's be honest, losing games you paid for is inevitable, when it comes to a streaming service. There's no speculation there. 






Cerebralbore101 on 28 June 2019
potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:
It mainly depends on two things:

1. How serious is Google about Stadia? If they approach the market like both Sony and Microsoft did when they entered the console market, they will buy their way into it. Google can pay for deals to get either exclusive games or have big multiplatform titles playable on their service a couple of weeks before they release on PS and Xbox. Additionally, they can buy the exclusive marketing rights which has been common practice for over a decade now. Google certainly has the money and infrastructure to be a competitive force.

2. How fast will the market embrace streaming, if at all? That's a big question and it's likely to stifle the growth of the streaming services of Google, Sony and Microsoft, so how aggressive Google will run Stadia could ultimately be moot.

As for costs, $720 for six years comes in considerably lower than what Sony and Microsoft consoles do. Being generous and assuming $400 price tags...

Console - $400
Mid-gen upgrade - $400
Online subscription - $360
Total - $1,160 or $800 if someone foregoes to play games online.

Google's version of the mid-gen upgrade is that they update their server blades and that will come at no cost to the customer.

Yeah, because literally every PS4 player bought a PS4 Pro. Once PS4 Pro came out, the regular PS4 just stopped working and became no longer capable of playing all of those PS4 Pro exclusive games of which every PS4 game automatically became. You see those 97 million PS4s sold? That's actually just 48.5 million people who bought PS4s and then upgraded to PS4 pros when they came out.

Xbox owners did the same. So of course it makes sense when trying to figure out the cost of PS5/Xbox Scarlett ownership, it makes sense to include the mid-gen upgrade.

But hey, at least you were "generous" in your assumptions, right?

Let's try some equally disingenuous crap when figuring out the cost of Google Stadia:

$720 for six years of subscription
$2160 for an additional $20 a month of internet bandwidth to play games at 4K and then an additional $20 a month for 3 years to upgrade to an internet package with bandwidth capable of playing games at 8K (so $20 a month costs becomes a $40 a month cost half way through)
$1000 for upgrades to router and mesh network to handle upgrade to 8K streaming
Total - $3,880 or $2,160 if someone only decides to keep streaming at 4K like a common peasant.

Wow. This Google Stadia thing seems awfully expensive compared to a PS5 or Xbox Scarlett since neither of those require the bandwidth levels Stadia does just to play! There's totally no holes in that logic!



Cubedramirez on 28 June 2019

Too much money behind it to fail but it's in no way a sure fire success.



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Barkley on 28 June 2019
Cerebralbore101 said:
RolStoppable said:

It's disingenious to apply a flatrate to the cost of Stadia while factoring in deals for PS and Xbox consoles; you lowered the cost of the online subscription with that. But despite moving the goalposts, you still end up with costs comparable to Stadia, so the original argument that was presented by the OP (that Stadia is more expensive) doesn't hold water.

Also, there's nothing that prevents Google from offering free games with their subscription. In fact, free games are already planned.

Selling your original system for $200 when getting the mid-gen upgrade isn't a deal. It's economics. If Stadia offers up yearly subscriptions for a lowered price, I'll factor that in when they do it. I'll also factor in lowered console prices, whenever the PS5/XB2 get their first price drop, instead of speculating on potential future price drops. We shouldn't be factoring in any price drops for either side until they are announced. That's only fair. Refusing to accept someone else's epistemology =/= moving the goal posts. You just ignored the extra internet cost for Stadia. I realize that not everyone will need to pay extra for internet, but not everyone needs to pay for XBL/PS+ either. So we can either keep the extra internet cost for Stadia, and keep the XBL/PS+ cost, or drop both of them. Either way the price of the consoles come out on top. You also ignored the cost of losing games you paid for, as well as the inability to resell them. And let's be honest, losing games you paid for is inevitable, when it comes to a streaming service. There's no speculation there. 

"We shouldn't be factoring in any price drops for either side until they are announced." - Yet assuming $400 for a nextgen system is generous, this price isn't announced. You also assume $400 for a Pro system down the line.

"You just ignored the extra internet cost for Stadia. I realize that not everyone will need to pay extra for internet" - Exactly, my internet is already more than good enough and the cost has nothing to do with Cloud Gaming.

"But not everyone needs to pay for XBL/PS+ either." - Not everyone needs to pay for 4k streaming. After all you may prefer Ultra Settings at 1080p than Medium settings at 4k.

At the end of the day there are many different situations and options, either console or Stadia can come out on top.



Barozi on 28 June 2019

IMO the negatives far outweigh the positives.
If there was a decent Netflix like service, then maybe but as it is, no. I don't see why anyone should pay $60 for the rights to stream a game (ignoring all the problem streaming has for now) on a service that might be dead in a few years. Far too risky.



KrspaceT on 28 June 2019

Ask me after we figure out if consoles will be impacted by tariffs or not first.



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

potato_hamster on 28 June 2019
RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Do you need an internet connection to play PS5?

Is this the point where we are supposed to compare potential internet bills for Stadia vs. electricity bills for powering a console in your home?

No, my point is is that there isn't close to enough information out there about the PS5 or Google Stadia to actually make a comparison between the two and doing is is ridiculous. We know hardly anything about the PS5 or Xbox Scarlett outside of some ballpark performance indicators, but here you are confidently saying that Google Stadia will be cheaper to own?

That's completely nonsensical.



Chrkeller on 28 June 2019

I wouldn't be shocked if psn+ increases in price on the ps5.