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Is stadia going to fail? (not be competitive, profitable?)

yes - (people wont pay for 4k subscription) 42 77.78%
 
no - (people want to stre... 12 22.22%
 
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Cerebralbore101 said:
RolStoppable said:

It's disingenious to apply a flatrate to the cost of Stadia while factoring in deals for PS and Xbox consoles; you lowered the cost of the online subscription with that. But despite moving the goalposts, you still end up with costs comparable to Stadia, so the original argument that was presented by the OP (that Stadia is more expensive) doesn't hold water.

Also, there's nothing that prevents Google from offering free games with their subscription. In fact, free games are already planned.

Selling your original system for $200 when getting the mid-gen upgrade isn't a deal. It's economics. If Stadia offers up yearly subscriptions for a lowered price, I'll factor that in when they do it. I'll also factor in lowered console prices, whenever the PS5/XB2 get their first price drop, instead of speculating on potential future price drops. We shouldn't be factoring in any price drops for either side until they are announced. That's only fair. Refusing to accept someone else's epistemology =/= moving the goal posts. You just ignored the extra internet cost for Stadia. I realize that not everyone will need to pay extra for internet, but not everyone needs to pay for XBL/PS+ either. So we can either keep the extra internet cost for Stadia, and keep the XBL/PS+ cost, or drop both of them. Either way the price of the consoles come out on top. You also ignored the cost of losing games you paid for, as well as the inability to resell them. And let's be honest, losing games you paid for is inevitable, when it comes to a streaming service. There's no speculation there. 

"We shouldn't be factoring in any price drops for either side until they are announced." - Yet assuming $400 for a nextgen system is generous, this price isn't announced. You also assume $400 for a Pro system down the line.

"You just ignored the extra internet cost for Stadia. I realize that not everyone will need to pay extra for internet" - Exactly, my internet is already more than good enough and the cost has nothing to do with Cloud Gaming.

"But not everyone needs to pay for XBL/PS+ either." - Not everyone needs to pay for 4k streaming. After all you may prefer Ultra Settings at 1080p than Medium settings at 4k.

At the end of the day there are many different situations and options, either console or Stadia can come out on top.



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IMO the negatives far outweigh the positives.
If there was a decent Netflix like service, then maybe but as it is, no. I don't see why anyone should pay $60 for the rights to stream a game (ignoring all the problem streaming has for now) on a service that might be dead in a few years. Far too risky.



Cerebralbore101 said:
RolStoppable said:

It's disingenious to apply a flatrate to the cost of Stadia while factoring in deals for PS and Xbox consoles; you lowered the cost of the online subscription with that. But despite moving the goalposts, you still end up with costs comparable to Stadia, so the original argument that was presented by the OP (that Stadia is more expensive) doesn't hold water.

Also, there's nothing that prevents Google from offering free games with their subscription. In fact, free games are already planned.

Selling your original system for $200 when getting the mid-gen upgrade isn't a deal. It's economics. If Stadia offers up yearly subscriptions for a lowered price, I'll factor that in when they do it. I'll also factor in lowered console prices, whenever the PS5/XB2 get their first price drop, instead of speculating on potential future price drops. We shouldn't be factoring in any price drops for either side until they are announced. That's only fair. Refusing to accept someone else's epistemology =/= moving the goal posts. You just ignored the extra internet cost for Stadia. I realize that not everyone will need to pay extra for internet, but not everyone needs to pay for XBL/PS+ either. So we can either keep the extra internet cost for Stadia, and keep the XBL/PS+ cost, or drop both of them. Either way the price of the consoles come out on top. You also ignored the cost of losing games you paid for, as well as the inability to resell them. And let's be honest, losing games you paid for is inevitable, when it comes to a streaming service. There's no speculation there. 

At this point I am pretty sure that you have the clear goal to arrive at the conclusion that consoles are cheaper.

As for losing games, there are games taken down from console marketplaces too. Lots of people buy digital console games which can't be resold. You use a very subjective perspective for your analyses when the concerns you raise don't look like concerns for what will soon be a majority of PS and Xbox consumers. Digital ratios of game sales have been steadily growing and are commonly exceeding 30% by now while online multiplayer games are approaching 50% already. That's a trend of proper game ownership ceasing to be an important factor, so Stadia doesn't face a significant disadvantage here.



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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Do you need an internet connection to play PS5?

Is this the point where we are supposed to compare potential internet bills for Stadia vs. electricity bills for powering a console in your home?

No, my point is is that there isn't close to enough information out there about the PS5 or Google Stadia to actually make a comparison between the two and doing is is ridiculous. We know hardly anything about the PS5 or Xbox Scarlett outside of some ballpark performance indicators, but here you are confidently saying that Google Stadia will be cheaper to own?

That's completely nonsensical.



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I wouldn't be shocked if psn+ increases in price on the ps5.



Barkley said:
potato_hamster said:

Do you need an internet connection to play PS5?

Maybe do you have a source saying you don't?

It would be the first playstation console that requires an internet connection to play a game, but you're right I do not know the PS5 will not. We really don't know much of anything about the PS5 though, do we? Yet here we are sorting out the cost of owning one because that makes sense.



potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:

Is this the point where we are supposed to compare potential internet bills for Stadia vs. electricity bills for powering a console in your home?

No, my point is is that there isn't close to enough information out there about the PS5 or Google Stadia to actually make a comparison between the two and doing is is ridiculous. We know hardly anything about the PS5 or Xbox Scarlett outside of some ballpark performance indicators, but here you are confidently saying that Google Stadia will be cheaper to own?

That's completely nonsensical.

If that was your point, you'd have responded to the OP of this thread.

Also, I am not saying that Stadia will be cheaper to own; there's nothing to own, after all. What I am saying is that price won't be an obstacle for Stadia, unlike what the OP suggested.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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I think one of the biggest hurdles the service has to clear is the current internet infrastucture. There are still a lot of places even in Europe and North America where the current internet services aren't good enough to allow video game streaming at a high enough quality to make the service feasible.



potato_hamster said:
Barkley said:

Maybe do you have a source saying you don't?

It would be the first playstation console that requires an internet connection to play a game, but you're right I do not know the PS5 will not. We really don't know much of anything about the PS5 though, do we? Yet here we are sorting out the cost of owning one because that makes sense.

The thread compares the value of Stadia vs the value of a traditional console. Of course we're speculating the cost of owning a console. Without speculating there is nothing to discuss and this thread wouldn't exist.