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Is stadia going to fail? (not be competitive, profitable?)

yes - (people wont pay for 4k subscription) 42 77.78%
 
no - (people want to stre... 12 22.22%
 
Total:54

Seems more than half of users here believe in stadia.... and a streaming future.
More positive reception than I thought it would be.



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potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:

If the first post of the thread wasn't clear enough to you that the comparison is about Stadia, PS5 and Scarlett, then JRPGfan confirmed it in the third post of this thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9029008

You are the first one in this thread who drew the conclusion that the comparison might not be about Stadia, PS5 and Scarlett, even though it was obvious to everyone else.

As for your straw man argument, no.

Ohh it is? TIL two people making an assumption mean's it's no longer an assumption, it's a fact!

What about Apple's console that's apparently coming? How about Nintendo's next console? Why aren't they part of your calculations? Why don't you have pricing models for both of those? Let me guess, those comparisons would be ridiculous!

And what straw man are you referring to? Please tell me which argument you never made that I argued against.

JRPGfan is the creator of this thread, so he should know best what his comparison is about.

The straw man argument is the second paragraph of your previous post. You created an ambiguous setup to represent my position, but its ambiguous nature is meant to turn things on me. For one, your straw man doesn't say that it is about one and the same gamer, and two, it doesn't state at which price point on average the two games a month are bought. This allows you to change the variables after the fact.



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Yes I do see google stadia as a competitor to PS5/XB2/Switch, and even something like Steam.

I didnt know/remember that it was free to use at 1080p, at time of posting the OP.
The subscription fee, was something I assumed your games would be locked behinde, and ontop of that not even things you actually owned.
(ei. google could decide not to host servers, with certain games after say a year or two, and even if you paid for it, you wouldnt be able to play them at that time)

To me at the time of my first post, seemed like a insane situation.
Like why would anyone want that over a physical box?

Then someone mentioned that it was actually free to use (so far atleast) at 1080p.
And that changes things.

Im still super sceptical of this though.
Like even if Digital foundry shows video side-by-side compairsons and it does "okay" in terms of fps/graphics/input lag, compaired to traditional consoles...
it wouldnt be where I want to buy my games.

Stadia would at the very least need to promis to keep games you buy, playable upto say 10years or something.
Ontop of that, what if one day they change the "free" usage at 1080p, to one that costs something? at that point you would be trapped into a subcription (if you wanted to keep playing your games).

Its a matter of trust, I just rather own a physical box.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 28 June 2019

Subscription-based gaming through streaming does sound like the future, but Stadia is not taking a wise approach to it. You don't paywall digital game purchases when the established players (pun not intended) expedite the process, especially with attractive discounts.



RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Ohh it is? TIL two people making an assumption mean's it's no longer an assumption, it's a fact!

What about Apple's console that's apparently coming? How about Nintendo's next console? Why aren't they part of your calculations? Why don't you have pricing models for both of those? Let me guess, those comparisons would be ridiculous!

And what straw man are you referring to? Please tell me which argument you never made that I argued against.

JRPGfan is the creator of this thread, so he should know best what his comparison is about.

The straw man argument is the second paragraph of your previous post. You created an ambiguous setup to represent my position, but its ambiguous nature is meant to turn things on me. For one, your straw man doesn't say that it is about one and the same gamer, and two, it doesn't state at which price point on average the two games a month are bought. This allows you to change the variables after the fact.

Yes, I know JRPGfan is the creator of this thread. That's your interpretation of what he wrote, and still your assumption that he was referring to PS5 and XBox Scarlett exclusively.

Look at you with your assumptions of nefarious tactics. Perhaps you should stop projecting so much.

Regardless of the accuracy my attempt to represent your position, it clearly wasn't a straw man because I didn't assume it was your position and I didn't argue against it. I simply asked you if the position I presented was your position. It appears you do not know what a straw man argument is. Perhaps you should put more consideration into your posts before making them.



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JRPGfan said:

Seems more than half of users here believe in stadia.... and a streaming future.
More positive reception than I thought it would be.

Actually I clicked "yes" thinking the question to your poll was the same as the title of this thread.

I wonder if some other people got caught just like me :P (Btw, my actual answer is no)



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potato_hamster said:

Yes, I know JRPGfan is the creator of this thread. That's your interpretation of what he wrote, and still your assumption that he was referring to PS5 and XBox Scarlett exclusively.

Look at you with your assumptions of nefarious tactics. Perhaps you should stop projecting so much.

Regardless of the accuracy my attempt to represent your position, it clearly wasn't a straw man because I didn't assume it was your position and I didn't argue against it. I simply asked you if the position I presented was your position. It appears you do not know what a straw man argument is. Perhaps you should put more consideration into your posts before making them.

JRPGfan confirmed it again: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9029099



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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Mar1217 said:
JRPGfan said:

Seems more than half of users here believe in stadia.... and a streaming future.
More positive reception than I thought it would be.

Actually I clicked "yes" thinking the question to your poll was the same as the title of this thread.

I wonder if some other people got caught just like me :P (Btw, my actual answer is no)

Hahahaha.... now that you mentioned it... yes it does seem the title & question are flipped.
Sorry for that.



Back to the original question, "doomed to fail" implies it has no chance of success. I would like to think we can all agree it has at least some degree of likelihood of success. It isn't going to be DoA.



RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Yes, I know JRPGfan is the creator of this thread. That's your interpretation of what he wrote, and still your assumption that he was referring to PS5 and XBox Scarlett exclusively.

Look at you with your assumptions of nefarious tactics. Perhaps you should stop projecting so much.

Regardless of the accuracy my attempt to represent your position, it clearly wasn't a straw man because I didn't assume it was your position and I didn't argue against it. I simply asked you if the position I presented was your position. It appears you do not know what a straw man argument is. Perhaps you should put more consideration into your posts before making them.

JRPGfan confirmed it again: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9029099

Let's just take a moment to marvel at how confident you are in your apparently poor reading comprehension. Did he or did he not list two other platforms that already exist that he feels Stadia is a competitor of, that you conveniently ignored in your "confirmation" that you did not do a pricing comparison to that were much more valid comparisons to make just like I was saying all along? Damn. This is like a flat earther doing an experiment that clearly points to the earth being a globe but because he doesn't have the knowledge or experience to interpret the results correctly, thinks it's actually evidence the earth is flat.

Also, nice dodge on your misunderstanding of "straw man argument".