Too many think people care so much about 4k and so on.

Just look at Steams numbers and the power of the average person PC. Most are content with 1080p

Will they cost $400-$500? Will they require subscriptions for online?

PS2 owners intuition wouldn't have had them speculating the price of the PS3 to be "Five hundred ninety nine U.S. dollars"
PS3 owners intuition wouldn't have had them speculating that the PS4 would require subscriptions for online.
Launch day PS4 owner's intuition wouldn't have had them speculating that the PS4 Pro would ever come out.
Then there's backwards compatibility, something the PS4 totally lacks that the PS next gen has already been confirmed to have.
And so on... and so on.. and so on.. there are countless examples from Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega etc.

In fact, I'd bet that those respective owners might think that speculating about such things would be ridiculous. So that's what this is. A pile of assumptions based on previous platforms. When doing so in the past has proven that previous platforms to not be reliable sources of information about new platforms.

But hey. if you want to keep making these assumptions and treating them as facts, go ahead. It's not like I'm stopping you.

"Will they require subscriptions for online? "

Um, yes. Care to make a wager?  Sony makes millions from PSN+, no way they are walking away from that.  

Wow, I thought everyone could do what I do. But apparently I have godlike powers.

I shall inform the masses that the consoles will be priced around this range and that they will still be paying for subscriptions. 

Ahh, so Switch gets lumped into the PS4 and XBox One generation when its convenient for you. Got it. What was that about twisting? Steam isn't limited by generations, it's automatically next gen. It's obvious you made an assumption, and now you're projecting your attempts to save face on me. You keep forgetting that I don't care about my reputation here! I have no reason to try and save face when I'm wrong. But you do...

I didn't barge into this thread to have a go at you. That's just more paranoia from you. You keep acting that if you can come up with a reason why my argument could possibly be made against any poster before you that I'm targeting you as if you get to decide where arguments are appropriate and where they're not. I cannot keep stating this for you: Your opinions are not fact despite your attempts to treat them as such. And now you're backseat moderating me. What was that about standards that are appropriate for this website?

And again, nice dodge on the "straw man argument" definition you keep messing up.

I'm not saying they won't. I'm just point out it's an assumption because we don't know. It hasn't been announced. For all we know Sony sees Stadia as a big enough threat that they make online play free and make PS+ a value-added product just as it is was for PS3 to better leverage its position against Stadia. That's not exactly an insane possibility, but any of you here are welcome to rule it out with an announcement from Sony.

You guys need to cool your jets here, and wait for more info before making such comparison.

Online will not be free, and we both know it, as indicated by you not willing to make a wager.  

Edit

Snarky aside, given it isn't much needed, the point I am driving is console gamers tend to ignore the cost of online.  It isn't cheap over 5-7 years.

"The PS3 will not cost $599, and we both know it".
"The PS4 will at least be backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games, and we both know it"
"There will not be a mid-gen upgrade of the PS4, and we both know it"
"The PS4 will just have a new version of the dual shock controller, and we both know it"

I've said things along the lines of a couple of those phases myself. These are assumptions. I don't assume anything any more. I also never make wagers. It has nothing to do with my confidence level. It's a personal policy.

Anyone want to claim they know exactly what kind of console the PS5 will be, it's features, it's specs, it's price, it's controller, it's online service? Feel free to make your claims, and well, stake your credibility along with it.

I'll stake my credibility, online won't be free. Far too much money on the table.

According to Sony 34.2 million people for paid PSN+, assuming an average of $60 a year, that is $2,052,000,000 a year....  gee, I wonder if Sony will walk away from that??  Yeah, ain't happening.

*and that is based on a single year*

Why do you think you need to be absolutely 100% certain about something? If it changes it changes, if it doesn't it doesn't. Who gives a damn? If you disagree that the price of X console will be what someone proposes then their comparison doesn't apply for you. With people who agree that it will be that price then the comparison is valid for them. Crikey!

Literally all you have to say is "I don't think it will cost this much." Rather than what you actually did.