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S.Peelman said:
potato_hamster said:



I can't help that your 1990's standards for graphics haven't improved at all in the decades that follow. If any game today released with similar graphics they would be ripped to shreds by media and fans alike, so I don't possibly see how any of those screenshots "look great". It wasn't even great back then, it was just the best we could do with the technology we had, so we tolerated it.,

Well, sure, but the topic was which games “aged well”. Aging well doesn’t mean it should still look like it’s a new modern game.

Anyway I’m writing this and the previous post tongue-in-cheek, it doesn’t matter, I just thought it’d be fun to ‘take a gander’.

You can tell where his mindset is when he states if any of those games were released today they would be ripped to shreds.  Obviously he didn't approach the thread right. 



S.Peelman said:
potato_hamster said:



I can't help that your 1990's standards for graphics haven't improved at all in the decades that follow. If any game today released with similar graphics they would be ripped to shreds by media and fans alike, so I don't possibly see how any of those screenshots "look great". It wasn't even great back then, it was just the best we could do with the technology we had, so we tolerated it.,

Well, sure, but the topic was which games “aged well”. Aging well doesn’t mean it should still look like it’s a new modern game.

Anyway I’m writing this and the previous post tongue-in-cheek, it doesn’t matter, I just thought it’d be fun to ‘take a gander’.

All good. I intended my response to be a bit more light-hearted than it came across. My bad.



I'm gonna go with the sentiment that 3D Accelerated PC games are really the big ones that have aged well (especially those made in Quake and Unreal engines). And not just games from 1999. Quake, Hexen 2, Quake 2, Heretic 2, and Unreal were all 1998 or earlier. Quake 3 is almost cheating because it was released in Dec 1999.

N64 games have aged worse, but not as poorly as nearly every 3D PS1 game. Even with an emulator with a resolution boost and post processing, PS1 games just look like a mess.



CladInShadows said:
I'm gonna go with the sentiment that 3D Accelerated PC games are really the big ones that have aged well (especially those made in Quake and Unreal engines). And not just games from 1999. Quake, Hexen 2, Quake 2, Heretic 2, and Unreal were all 1998 or earlier. Quake 3 is almost cheating because it was released in Dec 1999.

N64 games have aged worse, but not as poorly as nearly every 3D PS1 game. Even with an emulator with a resolution boost and post processing, PS1 games just look like a mess.

Yes! In my list I forgot Heretic 2, if we don't consider later mods, that can make many games with scalable engines look good even for modern standards, see for example Morrowind, that was already really gorgeous, even compared to most of the other games using the Quake 2 engine. Unreal was gorgeous too, but it had the advantage of using a more recent engine. Heretic 2 OTOH achieved results as good using a tweaked Quake 2 engine, the first time I played it, it made my jaw drop even comparing it to Quake 2 that still was one of the best. It's use of lighting to create atmosphere is still one of the best I've ever seen.
Hexen 2 OTOH disappointed me a little bit, yep, IIRC it used a tweaked Quake 1, not 2, engine, but that wasn't the problem, I just think that while Heretic 2 changed the old Hexen/Heretic style for something both new and really great, Hexen 2 just didn't manage to make its new style great too.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
CladInShadows said:
I'm gonna go with the sentiment that 3D Accelerated PC games are really the big ones that have aged well (especially those made in Quake and Unreal engines). And not just games from 1999. Quake, Hexen 2, Quake 2, Heretic 2, and Unreal were all 1998 or earlier. Quake 3 is almost cheating because it was released in Dec 1999.

N64 games have aged worse, but not as poorly as nearly every 3D PS1 game. Even with an emulator with a resolution boost and post processing, PS1 games just look like a mess.

Yes! In my list I forgot Heretic 2, if we don't consider later mods, that can make many games with scalable engines look good even for modern standards, see for example Morrowind, that was already really gorgeous, even compared to most of the other games using the Quake 2 engine. Unreal was gorgeous too, but it had the advantage of using a more recent engine. Heretic 2 OTOH achieved results as good using a tweaked Quake 2 engine, the first time I played it, it made my jaw drop even comparing it to Quake 2 that still was one of the best. It's use of lighting to create atmosphere is still one of the best I've ever seen.
Hexen 2 OTOH disappointed me a little bit, yep, IIRC it used a tweaked Quake 1, not 2, engine, but that wasn't the problem, I just think that while Heretic 2 changed the old Hexen/Heretic style for something both new and really great, Hexen 2 just didn't manage to make its new style great too.

In terms of the actual game, yeah, I was slightly disappointed by Hexen 2.  I just think Hexen (the high water mark of the series, imo) was a hard game to top.  And yeah, Hexen 2 used the Quake 1 engine.



F-Zero X is another great example I feel.

It runs at 60fps which was rare for 3D console games of the time, and like Starfox 64 its design sidesteps the camera and control problems of a lot of early 3D titles.

Still plays like a dream over 20 years later.

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Man, this thread is making me want to fire up my N64, Saturn, and PS1 games Such an experimental, creative time in gaming. I really hope Nintendo pulls the trigger on an N64 Classic console...



Pemalite said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Looking back, it seems like the 90's and early 2000's were the best time for PC gaming as far as unique and cool games go. Too many PC gamers these days aren't even interested in games like this, Civ, or RTS. 

Also, how much would it have cost to run Homeworld in 720p 60 fps back then? 

I really feel like a lot of PC games from that era didn't age well. But that's not a bad thing. Just a testament to how well their sequels have improved in recent years. Civ III, and IV would still be perfectly good games, if Civ V and VI didn't blow them out of the water. Same goes for a lot of the older Total War games. I'll get Homeworld Remastered eventually on GoG. From what I've seen it looks to have held up well. 

Any Pentium 3 Katimai or Coppermine would have been enough in conjunction with a TNT2 Ultra/Geforce 256... But those were high-end.
A Riva 128+Pentium 2 would have been good for 60fps at a moderate resolution.

I think in general games of that era didn't age well... But 2D games from the likes of StarCraft, Age of Empires, Total Annihilation, Dark Reign, Baldurs Gate did remarkably well over the years due to strong art direction, it wasn't until the PC was pushing towards 1440P/2160P that those games 2D art assets started to look excruciatingly limited... Hence the need for HD remasters.

Games like Battlezone 2, Homeworld, Dungeon Keeper 2 which are full 3D titles have stood the test of time though in my opinion... They were decent graphical powerhouses even back in the day, but the strong art direction has meant they matured fairly well... Certainly far better than the Nintendo 64, Playstation 1 and so on.





Images speak for themselves, none of the consoles were coming anywhere near those PC at the time in 1999. - Dreamcast could have gotten closer than the Nintendo 64 or Playstation 1 though.

sethnintendo said:

I've played Civ3 most then next would be Civ5.  Civ3 was bad ass except it was usually turned into stacks of doom.  I played user made scenarios most from 3 getting them off Civfanatic.  I didn't like 5 that much at first but it grew on me.  It was finally fleshed out with the 2 expansions.  Currently just 30 hours into 6.  I like it but sometimes even though they seemed to dumb it down I find myself just clicking away and skipping info and other shit.  Like governors.  I put them in city and then just upgrade them when get chance but hardly care or do much with them except if take over far away city then I'll move one to that city to help loyalty and prevent flipping of city back.  Sure it beats the random overthrow of cities that you took in 3 which would piss me off if had lots of troops stationed there.  It's like there is no fucking way partisans retook the city with my army (tried to not use armies as much because cpu never learned to use them properly in 3) or huge stack sitting in city.  It was all about culture and military presence be damn.  Anyways I almost had more fun micromanaging cities in 3 than doing most bs in 5 and 6.

I am partial to Alpha Centauri to be honest. Been my favorite "Civ" game so far, still go back to it even today and give it a run! Although after all these years even the highest difficulty isn't as much of a challenge.

Sadly the game wasn't a looker even on release... But that is okay, the gameplay is solid and there is a reason why it's one of the most acclaimed PC titles in history. - I had hoped that Beyond Earth would be closer to Alpha Centauri than Civ... So that was a let down.


I am absolutely happy that I was a PC gamer during the 90's, I got to experience the 3D acceleration revolution and the era when developers were mashing together various concepts to try something new.

Don't know which version of Alpha Centauri you own, but in the GOG release at least, you could create a new faction with many debuffs to give you a new challenge.

While we're at it, what faction do you main?

And yeah, Beyond Earth was a letdown for me, too. It's just not Alpha Centauri.



COKTOE said:

Soul Calibur on the DC baby! The Champ!

It's kinda too bad so many Dreamcast games are disqualified....

Super Mario 64, F-Zero 64, ISS 64 ( the Konami Soccer game ), Einhander ( PS1 ), Tekken 3 ( PS1 ).....Those are few I can think of. PS1 and Saturn 3D games dind't age particularly well. Not that N64 was THAT much better. But it's 3D best aged better that the best from Sony and Sega. IMO.

The ONLY major N64 game that's not aged exceptionally well, IMO, is Goldeneye 007.

I've tried to tweak it to play with modern control schemes and it just doesn't work out.



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