Let's just say the world was saved from what would probably been a terrible child.  I wasn't ready to be a father then and I am still not ready now.  Oh and it wasn't like I was trying to get her pregnant.  She was on birth control but apparently she forgot to take it a day which I remember her saying something at the time about forgetting a night when we got drunk and had sex.  I just thought the pill taken next day would be fine.  We were in process of breaking up at time and then 2 months later she called me up and told me she was pregnant.  I was like oh shit.  Then next day she called and said she had miscarriage.  That was one happiest days in my life.

There are two opinin pieces on Quilette, which in my opinion are quite moderate on this issue. This probably means they are hated from both sides in this discussion.

https://quillette.com/2019/05/18/the-abortion-issue-isnt-about-the-patriarchy/
https://quillette.com/2019/05/21/rethinking-abortion-advocacy/

Geez, I didn't know that VGZ was plagued with leftists!!!

UBI doesn't work! It will only get us one step closer to socialism, period. There is no reason to not get a job if you live in the USA and are physically/mentally able.

Abortion, for what? To use it as a birth control method? Nahhhh if you wanted to play, face the consequences or give the child in adoption!

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Equally carry that burden for 9 months??? Seriously??? First of all if you are a responsible person and the pregnancy is planned then it is not a burden at all. And second, there are MANY contraception methods out there, for males and females so there is no excuse!

What are you talking about? The one who is outraged here is you. Im all about to make the male equally responsible for a pregnancy whether planned or unplanned the father should be present. And I agree with you, shit happens, but I have irresponsible female friends and family members that have gotten pregnant and aborted the baby like it was nothing. That is the kind of nonsense that I don't agree with. 

https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-basic-income-pilot

1. How much exactly does a UBI offer? As far as I'm aware there is no defined amount.

Based on what Ontario, Canada is offering in it's trial, it's more than enough to be considered sustainable. I know this because my parents income, after taxes, falls somewhere in this gap. They are famers who own close to 200 acres of land and do custom farm work covering another 1200 acres approximately. Your average Ontario farmer doesn't cover anywhere close to that. Most farm their 50-300 acre farm and that's it. That income not only took care of my parents needs, but myself and my brothers needs, plus a few inexpensive wants here and there, the farm expenses, plus paying the farm off. We certainly weren't wealthy, but we weren't dirt poor either. Lower middle class. Just enough.

The Ontario UBI automatically dropped the payout to half if you had any earned income. So if you decided to work and be productive, you only got half.

2. Astronauts are only able to make choices, like choosing to become astronauts, because they weren't aborted when they were a fetus. If they had been, not only wouldn't they be astronauts, but they wouldn't exist. People can't become what they eventually grow to become, if they aren't given the opportunity to fulfill their potential.

Abortion is taking responsibility for your actions. - If you think it is just "cold blooded murder" then you aren't being empathetic towards the women who undergo it, it's not a simple process, often they are emotional.

Fake news.

That isn't the norm, so your perspective is highly skewed.

How can you assert that when you don't know the details of every incident? Unless we know the situation, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions.

They aren't being let off any hook, they need to live with the fact they aborted a child for the rest of their life.

I am a road crash technician, so this is right up my alley.
What you describe isn't always the case.

Here we have mandatory insurance for bodily injury, not vehicles, you need to buy your own 3rd party insurance. - In the event of an accident, if you are at fault, then the other participant can claim against your insurance, if you don't have any, then they claim against their own insurance, if they don't have it either, then tough luck.

And you won't loose your license if you have to many accidents either. - Remember, Mad Max was made here. ;)

Divorce process exists for a reason. People feelings in the matter are ultimately irrelevant, it doesn't change the process or outcome.

True, but there is a reason why there is an age cut-off point where you are allowed to make decisions that are potentially life-altering, because it's assumed that the individual has enough life experience to make an informed choice.

But if you are all about children making adult choices... Why don't you have children running your country?

The Earth is not a biological construct. Faith is believe without evidence, something I cannot adhere to.

The Earth doesn't give a shit if all life lives or dies, it will continue to exist either way.

The line between manslaughter and murder are often blurred, no need to play into semantics.

The law is the law. - If there is contention on a point in the law, there is a specific process to be followed and to challenge, no point in playing into your hypothetical scenario which will ultimately change nothing.

It doesn't need full autonomous control, making this argument entirely redundant.

That is between the mother and father to decide and the legal process to figure out.

Either way, what another couple does isn't my business.

Many countries have or had laws that restricted procreation, China for example.

And no, that law cannot be justified, because you cannot predict a future event, you can only base an action on the information you have at the time and not some far-fetched hypothetical future scenario.

Paramedics are trained differently to other first response agencies.
And as an Aged Carer... I am all for Euthanasia. I have seen things that would put hair on a Paramedics chest.

But if I am on a job, doesn't matter how bloody, how gruesome, I will still work my ass off to keep that individual alive.

There was a job where a woman fell of a very tall cliff, broke her collar, hip, arm... And she set off an EPIRB. - I was the first person down the cliff and for 9 hours I tried to keep her alive, keep her comfortable... And despite the fact she was in excruciating pain, I did my job. - Made her as comfortable as possible by holding her, regardless if she was bleeding out on me.

Sadly because I am in one of the most remote places on Earth, it took that long for a chopper to get there and take her away. She didn't survive, I didn't loose any sleep over it... But if Euthanasia was legal and she asked for it, you bet I would have considered it knowing that the chopper was so far away and she had no chance of survival.

It would have been humane.

If the USA attacked Australia, China would be the counter. Simple as that.

The USA just doesn't seem as "impressive" as it used to be, it's influence is on the decline.
I think partly that is because of trump, he more like comedic relief in the political sphere on the world stage.

Only delaying the inevitable. The world will continue to do trade with China, especially as China is trading in Oil now.

China's manufacturing is it's biggest advantage... They can mass produce everything.

And because of it's massive population will always have low-paid wages to take advantage of.

1. So I present you with a Canadian version of something that is not accepted as being defined worldwide, and your response is USA! USA! USA! ?

2. Well who brought up the point that led to that response?

SpokenTruth said: 

2). "I'm pretty sure an astronaut has a choice to be an astronaut. I don't think a fetus has a choice in the environment (financial, educational, emotional, medical, etc...support) they are born into."

If it was so unrelated, why did they use that as a response? Same reason they thought Hitler somehow ties into this? Hitler is becoming like Franks Red Hot for politics.

Rape and incest are special circumstances that are justified for having an abortion. Abortion should not be a convenience so some one can live a life of travel, party girl free of responsibility for her actions. People need to grow up and accept responsibility and stop being selfish. Leftists will support women at any age to have abortion because it a choice so they can live party lifestyle. The conservatives oppose Abortion and we say not on my tax dollar.

European nations and Canada show to the world how bad allowing abortions to anyone creates low birth rates and stagnant economies because there are not enough children being born in western countries and immigration must be increased. In the 1950s and 1960s there were 4 to 6 children per women during the great years that followed the Second War. This generation is known as the Baby Boomers. Every generation since the Baby Boomers have decreased in number and women have fewer children. There is benefits of having larger families as is seen in African and Asian nations.

Lack of financial resources should not be a reason to have an abortion. The financially poor woman an easily put the baby up for adoption, There are many wealthy couples that desperately want kids and want to adopt but due to various reasons like age or health conditions can not have their own biological children. Abortion should be a last resort not used as a form of contraception. Countries with more social welfare programs make it easy for single mothers to raise children on their own and less likely to get abortion. Single mothers on welfare is a lesser evil than allowing the same woman to have an abortion.

What? Eastern germany had easier access to abortion than western germany. As germany reunited 1990 the birth rates in eastern germany dropped more than half from 1.73 children per women in 1985 to 0.77 children per women in 1993. So the restrictions on abortions led to lesser births.