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EricHiggin on 22 May 2019
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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

1&3.  No. Welfare is one thing, but enough for the basics so you don't have to work is way too much, especially at the expense of who has to fund it. I'm for people taking responsibility and owning it. I know I said one or the other before, but that was in reference to whoever wants to push for both. Offering both contradicts each other and it makes them look bad.

2.  You just forgot to mention that astronauts were at one point in time fetus' themselves.

1). I'm afraid you are not familiar with an a UBI.  It's not a fully sustainable income.  You can not live off of it.  A UBI is basically welfare but applicable to all regardless of circumstance (some exceptions apply).

2). What in the hell?  Did you just make your analogy even worse?  Seriously, please.  Have someone look over your analogies before you post them. Such irrelevant juxtaposition that approaches non-sequitur levels of irrationality should not be used to promote your positions. Ever.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-basic-income-pilot

1. How much exactly does a UBI offer? As far as I'm aware there is no defined amount.

Based on what Ontario, Canada is offering in it's trial, it's more than enough to be considered sustainable. I know this because my parents income, after taxes, falls somewhere in this gap. They are famers who own close to 200 acres of land and do custom farm work covering another 1200 acres approximately. Your average Ontario farmer doesn't cover anywhere close to that. Most farm their 50-300 acre farm and that's it. That income not only took care of my parents needs, but myself and my brothers needs, plus a few inexpensive wants here and there, the farm expenses, plus paying the farm off. We certainly weren't wealthy, but we weren't dirt poor either. Lower middle class. Just enough.

The Ontario UBI automatically dropped the payout to half if you had any earned income. So if you decided to work and be productive, you only got half.

2. Astronauts are only able to make choices, like choosing to become astronauts, because they weren't aborted when they were a fetus. If they had been, not only wouldn't they be astronauts, but they wouldn't exist. People can't become what they eventually grow to become, if they aren't given the opportunity to fulfill their potential.